[Taxacom] Call for proxy votes for the forthcomingInternational Botanical Congress

[Stephen Thorpe]

>Revision is impossible because the type is on a different clade than 
>melanogaster and consorten

no way!

(taxonomic) revision is perfectly possible despite any nomenclatural issues

we just need to live with D. melanogaster now being called S. melanogaster (or 
else lump the whole family into Drosophila) ... it ain't that much of a problem 
(the change can be made widely known...)

Stephen

 



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From: Kim van der Linde <kim at kimvdlinde.com>
To: "Thiele, Kevin" <Kevin.Thiele at dec.wa.gov.au>
Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Sent: Thu, 7 July, 2011 11:50:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Call for proxy votes for the forthcomingInternational 
Botanical Congress

And this is not that hypothetical. Consider the genus Drosophila, which
is a royal mess. Revision is impossible because the type is on a
different clade than melanogaster and consorten. The ICZN has ruled that 
the name should be changed.

Kim

On 7/6/2011 7:32 PM, Thiele, Kevin wrote:
> John,
>
> please consider this scenario. A hypothetical genus of 2000 species
> needs to be split into two (for whatever reason). One segregate
> comprises 2 species and occurs only in Australia. The second
> segregate comprises 1998 species, occurs worldwide and contains
> species that very well-known, are important in horticulture, industry
> etc, and are ecologically important and hence widely used in the
> literature. The type is one of the two Australian species.
>
> Are you seriously suggesting that the Code should not have provision
> for dealing with scenarios such as this?
>
> [Note to stave off criticism: I'm not suggesting that this is the
> Acacia scenario - my genus here is purely hypothetical to deal with
> John's point]
>
> Cheers - Kevin
>
> -----Original Message----- From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of John Grehan
> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2011 6:45 AM To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Call for proxy votes for the
> forthcomingInternational Botanical Congress
>
> In other words if not enough Africans use the services of those who
> have the power to make the change then too bad.
>
> Nothing more stable than keeping a type name with a type.
>
> John Grehan
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Kirk [mailto:p.kirk at cabi.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 4:54 PM To: John Grehan;
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Call for proxy
> votes for the forthcomingInternational Botanical Congress
>
> This is NOT for the convenience of taxonomists, african or otherwise
> ... it's for the convenience of the users of the services taxonomist
> provide - paramount of which is a stable method of naming taxonomic
> groups.
>
> Paul ________________________________________ From:
> taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] on behalf of John Grehan
> [jgrehan at sciencebuff.org] Sent: 06 July 2011 18:20 To:
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Call for proxy
> votes for the forthcoming International Botanical Congress
>
> Fred R. Barrie, Secretary
>
> -----  Botanical nomenclature has always been governed in a
> democratic fashion. General Committee for Botanical Nomenclature
>
> Even democracy can be abused. If I am correct that the current Type
> is for an African taxon, then one might ask how many botanical
> nomenclaturists are in Africa vs in Australia-South America. Perhaps
> I am wrong, but it might seem as if non-Africans are making a grab
> for what is currently an African type to suit their (non-African)
> convenience, never might the convenience of African taxonomists.
>
> John Grehan
>
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