[Taxacom] Call for proxy votes for the forthcoming International Botanical Congress

Kim van der Linde kim at kimvdlinde.com
Wed Jul 6 19:33:05 CDT 2011 

I know, taxonomically there is not a problem and it can be revised. if 
we live in ivory tower. Acceptance by non-taxonomists is an issue. 
Idiomyia was such an example of a far less important group (the Hawaiian 
drosophilids) for which revision was tried and rejected. Only a minority 
accepts it despite that its sister clade, the genus Scaptomyza has been 
accepted widely.

Just saying.....

Kim

On 7/6/2011 8:07 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>  >Revision is impossible because the type is on a different clade than
> melanogaster and consorten
> no way!
> (taxonomic) revision is perfectly possible despite any nomenclatural issues
> we just need to live with D. melanogaster now being called S.
> melanogaster (or else lump the whole family into Drosophila) ... it
> ain't that much of a problem (the change can be made widely known...)
> Stephen
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Kim van der Linde <kim at kimvdlinde.com>
> *To:* "Thiele, Kevin" <Kevin.Thiele at dec.wa.gov.au>
> *Cc:* "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> *Sent:* Thu, 7 July, 2011 11:50:17 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] Call for proxy votes for the
> forthcomingInternational Botanical Congress
>
> And this is not that hypothetical. Consider the genus Drosophila, which
> is a royal mess. Revision is impossible because the type is on a
> different clade than melanogaster and consorten. The ICZN has ruled that
> the name should be changed.
>
> Kim
>
> On 7/6/2011 7:32 PM, Thiele, Kevin wrote:
>  > John,
>  >
>  > please consider this scenario. A hypothetical genus of 2000 species
>  > needs to be split into two (for whatever reason). One segregate
>  > comprises 2 species and occurs only in Australia. The second
>  > segregate comprises 1998 species, occurs worldwide and contains
>  > species that very well-known, are important in horticulture, industry
>  > etc, and are ecologically important and hence widely used in the
>  > literature. The type is one of the two Australian species.
>  >
>  > Are you seriously suggesting that the Code should not have provision
>  > for dealing with scenarios such as this?
>  >
>  > [Note to stave off criticism: I'm not suggesting that this is the
>  > Acacia scenario - my genus here is purely hypothetical to deal with
>  > John's point]
>  >
>  > Cheers - Kevin
>  >
>  > -----Original Message----- From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> <mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  > [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> <mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>] On Behalf Of John Grehan
>  > Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2011 6:45 AM To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> <mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Call for proxy votes for the
>  > forthcomingInternational Botanical Congress
>  >
>  > In other words if not enough Africans use the services of those who
>  > have the power to make the change then too bad.
>  >
>  > Nothing more stable than keeping a type name with a type.
>  >
>  > John Grehan
>  >
>  > -----Original Message----- From: Paul Kirk [mailto:p.kirk at cabi.org
> <mailto:p.kirk at cabi.org>]
>  > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 4:54 PM To: John Grehan;
>  > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Call for proxy
>  > votes for the forthcomingInternational Botanical Congress
>  >
>  > This is NOT for the convenience of taxonomists, african or otherwise
>  > ... it's for the convenience of the users of the services taxonomist
>  > provide - paramount of which is a stable method of naming taxonomic
>  > groups.
>  >
>  > Paul ________________________________________ From:
>  > taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> <mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  > [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> <mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>] on behalf of John Grehan
>  > [jgrehan at sciencebuff.org <mailto:jgrehan at sciencebuff.org>] Sent: 06
> July 2011 18:20 To:
>  > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Call for proxy
>  > votes for the forthcoming International Botanical Congress
>  >
>  > Fred R. Barrie, Secretary
>  >
>  > ----- Botanical nomenclature has always been governed in a
>  > democratic fashion. General Committee for Botanical Nomenclature
>  >
>  > Even democracy can be abused. If I am correct that the current Type
>  > is for an African taxon, then one might ask how many botanical
>  > nomenclaturists are in Africa vs in Australia-South America. Perhaps
>  > I am wrong, but it might seem as if non-Africans are making a grab
>  > for what is currently an African type to suit their (non-African)
>  > convenience, never might the convenience of African taxonomists.
>  >
>  > John Grehan
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  >
>  > Taxacom Mailing List Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> <mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  > http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/mailman/listinfo/taxacom
>  >
>  > The Taxacom archive going back to 1992 may be searched with either
>  > of these methods:
>  >
>  > (1) by visiting http://taxacom.markmail.org
> <http://taxacom.markmail.org/>
>  >
>  > (2) a Google search specified as:
>  > site:mailman.nhm.ku.edu/pipermail/taxacom your search terms here
>  > ************************************************************************
>  >
>  >
> The information contained in this e-mail and any files transmitted with
>  > it is confidential and is for the exclusive use of the intended
>  > recipient. If you are not the intended recipient please note that
>  > any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the
>  > information in it is prohibited.
>  >
>  > Whilst CAB International trading as CABI takes steps to prevent the
>  > transmission of viruses via e-mail, we cannot guarantee that any
>  > e-mail or attachment is free from computer viruses and you are
>  > strongly advised to undertake your own anti-virus precautions.
>  >
>  > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us
>  > by e-mail at cabi at cabi.org <mailto:cabi at cabi.org> or by telephone on
> +44 (0)1491 829199 and
>  > then delete the e-mail and any copies of it.
>  >
>  > CABI is an International Organization recognised by the UK
>  > Government under Statutory Instrument 1982 No. 1071.
>  >
>  > ************************************************************************
>  >
>  >
> **
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  >
>  > Taxacom Mailing List Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> <mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  > http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/mailman/listinfo/taxacom
>  >
>  > The Taxacom archive going back to 1992 may be searched with either of
>  > these methods:
>  >
>  > (1) by visiting http://taxacom.markmail.org
> <http://taxacom.markmail.org/>
>  >
>  > (2) a Google search specified as:
>  > site:mailman.nhm.ku.edu/pipermail/taxacom your search terms here
>  > This email, together with any attachments, is intended for the
>  > addressee only. It may contain confidential or privileged
>  > information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email,
>  > please notify the sender, delete the email and attachments from your
>  > system and destroy any copies you may have taken of the email and its
>  > attachments. Duplication or further distribution by hardcopy, by
>  > electronic means or verbally is not permitted without permission.
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  >
>  > Taxacom Mailing List Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> <mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  > http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/mailman/listinfo/taxacom
>  >
>  > The Taxacom archive going back to 1992 may be searched with either of
>  > these methods:
>  >
>  > (1) by visiting http://taxacom.markmail.org
> <http://taxacom.markmail.org/>
>  >
>  > (2) a Google search specified as:
>  > site:mailman.nhm.ku.edu/pipermail/taxacom your search terms here
>  >
>
> --
> http://www.kimvdlinde.com <http://www.kimvdlinde.com/>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Taxacom Mailing List
> Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/mailman/listinfo/taxacom
>
> The Taxacom archive going back to 1992 may be searched with either of
> these methods:
>
> (1) by visiting http://taxacom.markmail.org <http://taxacom.markmail.org/>
>
> (2) a Google search specified as:
> site:mailman.nhm.ku.edu/pipermail/taxacom your search terms here

-- 
http://www.kimvdlinde.com

More information about the Taxacom mailing list