[Taxacom] Call for proxy votes for the forthcomingInternational Botanical Congress

[Kim van der Linde]

And this is not that hypothetical. Consider the genus Drosophila, which
is a royal mess. Revision is impossible because the type is on a
different clade than melanogaster and consorten. The ICZN has ruled that 
the name should be changed.

Kim

On 7/6/2011 7:32 PM, Thiele, Kevin wrote:
> John,
>
> please consider this scenario. A hypothetical genus of 2000 species
> needs to be split into two (for whatever reason). One segregate
> comprises 2 species and occurs only in Australia. The second
> segregate comprises 1998 species, occurs worldwide and contains
> species that very well-known, are important in horticulture, industry
> etc, and are ecologically important and hence widely used in the
> literature. The type is one of the two Australian species.
>
> Are you seriously suggesting that the Code should not have provision
> for dealing with scenarios such as this?
>
> [Note to stave off criticism: I'm not suggesting that this is the
> Acacia scenario - my genus here is purely hypothetical to deal with
> John's point]
>
> Cheers - Kevin
>
> -----Original Message----- From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of John Grehan
> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2011 6:45 AM To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Call for proxy votes for the
> forthcomingInternational Botanical Congress
>
> In other words if not enough Africans use the services of those who
> have the power to make the change then too bad.
>
> Nothing more stable than keeping a type name with a type.
>
> John Grehan
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Paul Kirk [mailto:p.kirk at cabi.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 4:54 PM To: John Grehan;
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Call for proxy
> votes for the forthcomingInternational Botanical Congress
>
> This is NOT for the convenience of taxonomists, african or otherwise
> ... it's for the convenience of the users of the services taxonomist
> provide - paramount of which is a stable method of naming taxonomic
> groups.
>
> Paul ________________________________________ From:
> taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] on behalf of John Grehan
> [jgrehan at sciencebuff.org] Sent: 06 July 2011 18:20 To:
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Call for proxy
> votes for the forthcoming International Botanical Congress
>
> Fred R. Barrie, Secretary
>
> -----   Botanical nomenclature has always been governed in a
> democratic fashion. General Committee for Botanical Nomenclature
>
> Even democracy can be abused. If I am correct that the current Type
> is for an African taxon, then one might ask how many botanical
> nomenclaturists are in Africa vs in Australia-South America. Perhaps
> I am wrong, but it might seem as if non-Africans are making a grab
> for what is currently an African type to suit their (non-African)
> convenience, never might the convenience of African taxonomists.
>
> John Grehan
>
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