Taxacom: Vanuatu export permits

Wed Jul 24 12:50:47 CDT 2024

Belated comment on CR problems. I sometimes wonder about what is going on
psychologically with all these hurdles. It's almost as if it's sort of
vindictive or reflects some sort of anger, especially for external
researchers. It's as if 'OK, you want to collect here? - then show how it's
necessary by jumping all these hoops and paying all those $$. I quite agree
that it's reasonable to have some sort of regulatory process for high value
places, but it's another matter when regulations develop into a punitive
process. I may have already mentioned my experience with collecting in a
State forest in the US where I did some collecting the night before getting
the permit. I happened to mention that when at the office and the person
reacted with intense horror. So I said I would be happy to throw the lot
back into the forest. Reaction was even more horrified. In the end the
matter was let go. I had no real experience with bureaucratic attitudes in
those days.

John Grehan

On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 12:48 PM John Noyes <j.noyes at nhm.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>
> It is not really that much better in Costa Rica which is often cited as a
> good place.
>
> A basic research permit and license costs you £165 which seems OK, but you
> will have no idea if you can get an export permit to take any specimens out
> of the country when you leave. It costs at least a further $50 to apply for
> the permit and you may not get it. So, you end up in the country, do your
> collecting and then find out that you cannot get an export permit. At the
> moment, to get an export permit you have to get a signed letter from the
> Museo Nacional that you have donated specimens resulting from your
> collecting to them. Fine if you collect large organisms that you can sort
> out on the spot, but not so good if you work on small insects that are
> collected by trapping, etc. and that can only be sorted once you have left
> the country. Apart from this problem you have to get this signed letter to
> SINAC BEFORE you can even apply for an export permit.  Added to that, the
> application requires a minimum of 30 days to get processed. This pretty
> much makes anything impossible unless you are willing to spend more than 30
> days extra in the country after you have done your collecting. It is a
> Catch-22 situation. It may be possible to find someone to send material on
> to you once you have the export permit, but it can still be really
> complicated because even with the correct export permit you risk having
> everything confiscated at the border and subsequently destroyed [it
> happened to me]. Further to this, If you do not do all this in
> collaboration with a local institution then you have to get all
> documentation notarised and apostillated which will cost more, probably
> upwards of $1000.
>
> If you want permission to extract DNA then you need to apply for a
> separate permit. This will set you back at least $300 and it will probably
> have to be notarised and apostillated, or signed in person at the SINAC
> offices in Costa Rica. It is a complex process, but probably the best deal
> for researchers who want to extract DNA from specimens and/or take students
> there over several years. Exporting specimens with this permit is easier as
> you do not have to agree to leave material at the University or National
> Museum before you leave the country.
>
> Applying for either permit can be very tedious but the uncertainty of
> getting an export permit is a pain.
>
> I have been going to Costa Rica more or less annually since 1990, but this
> year was my last because the whole process is getting too difficult,
> uncertain and expensive. Some local researchers are trying to get the
> process simplified but at the moment there does not seem to be too much
> movement in that direction from SINAC.
>
> John
>
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> Hi John,
> Exaggerated fees are really frustrating. I am preparing a paper on
> regulations etc. affecting taxonomy/biodiversity research. Do you have a
> citable source for this fee? Or an official invoice or something that you
> could send me privately. I just have to make sure that statements and
> examples are backed up, otherwise I would shoot myself in the foot.
> Thanks
>
> Frank
>
>
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> No wonder there is a problem with biodiversity documentation and taxonomy.
> If one wanted to send out even one specimen from Vanuatu it costs US
> $1,500 for an export permit. Probably fine for major institutions, but a
> trainwreck for anyone else. Quite frustrating.
>
> John Grehan
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