Taxacom: Question to botanical experts RE ICNafp Code - rank changes for descriptive names, with changed termination
Paul van Rijckevorsel
dipteryx at freeler.nl
Fri Mar 31 05:27:29 CDT 2023
Well, as indicated, /Magnoliophyta/ (a name formed from
the generic name /Magnolia/) may be used in only one rank,
but the taxon so indicated may have any of a number of
circumscriptions.
Names like /Embryophyta/ and /Streptophyta/ (descriptive
names) may be used in any rank above that of family
(although it would be decidedly odd to use them as names
of orders or suborders), but the taxon indicated will have
a fixed circumscription. Thus in my view, these names
are the easier to use.
Then there are descriptive names that historically, but
not nomenclaturally, have been used as names for families,
like /Coniferae/, /Cupuliferae/, /Scitamineae/. These could be
awkward in a comprehensive database.
Paul
* * *
On 30-Mar-23 19:34, Tony Rees wrote:
> Paul wrote:
> ----------------
> It is a matter of perspective: when I see an ending -/phyta/
> I am not assuming any rank, just like when I see the name
> /Magnoliophyta/ I am not assuming that I have any idea
> what kind of group is intended (one author's circumscription
> of a /Magnoliophyta/ can differ by orders of magnitude from
> another author's use of that name)
> ----------------
> Well, I "cut my teeth" (so to speak) on the algae, where -phyta is (in
> my experience) always used to denote phylum, and -phyceae to indicate
> class. Indeed, in land plants, typified names above family e.g.
> Magnoliophyta, Bryophyta, etc. may sometimes have been used in the
> past at different ranks, but according to the Code definition cited
> above, they should be phyla (Divisions) as well. They are also used
> that way in the Ruggiero et al., 2015 "unified" classification (not
> sure who was responsible for the land plants portion(s) of that,
> although admittedly some names ending in -phyta were also used at
> levels above phylum e.g. superphylum (Embryophyta) and
> infrakingdom (Streptophyta)... presumably to avoid the inconvenience
> of having to coin new names for these, although possibly not in strict
> accordance with the Code.
>
> Just my take on this of course,
>
> Regards - Tony
>
> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
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> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 21:06, Paul van Rijckevorsel via Taxacom
> <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> Well, that interpretation would be a personal choice
> (very likely not unique). As you say, for automatically
> typified names the ending -/phyta/ does indicate a rank.
> But outside that context this is just a word element that
> can be used in a plural noun. "Phytum" is a noun by itself.
>
> On the other hand, the ending -/idae/ by itself does not
> mean anything; it is an ending to turn a word into a
> plural adjective, which in turn is meaningful only when
> used together with the (implied) noun "plantae". So, for
> just about everybody the ending -/idae/ is used in only one
> instance (in only one meaning, denoting a rank). It is
> fairly heavily implied that if it is used, even for a
> not-automatically typified name, that it is intended to
> denote rank.
>
> It is a matter of perspective: when I see an ending -/phyta/
> I am not assuming any rank, just like when I see the name
> /Magnoliophyta/ I am not assuming that I have any idea
> what kind of group is intended (one author's circumscription
> of a /Magnoliophyta/ can differ by orders of magnitude from
> another author's use of that name).
>
> Paul
>
>
> //
> On 30-Mar-23 10:21, Tony Rees wrote:
> > Thanks, Paul for your thoughts. I would, however take slight issue
> > with your third sentence; for typified names, -phyta does
> signify that
> > rank = Division (=Phylum), even if literally it just means
> "plants",
> > thus in the Code:
> >
> > /16.3./ Automatically typified names end as follows: the name of a
> > division or phylum ends in /‑//phyta,/ unless it is referable to
> the
> > fungi in which case it ends in /‑//mycota;/ the name of a
> subdivision
> > or subphylum ends in /‑//phytina,/ unless it is referable to the
> fungi
> > in which case it ends in /‑//mycotina;/ the name of a class in the
> > algae ends in /‑//phyceae,/ and of a subclass in /‑//phycidae;/ the
> > name of a class in the fungi ends in /‑//mycetes,/ and of a
> subclass
> > in /‑//mycetidae;/ the name of a class in the plants ends in
> > /‑//opsida,/ and of a subclass in /‑//idae/ (but not /‑//viridae/).
> > Automatically typified names with a termination not in
> accordance with
> > this rule or Art. 17.1
> >
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> > to be corrected, without change of authorship or date of
> publication
> > (see Art. 32.2
> >
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> >
> > So, using the same as an implied rank indication for descriptive
> names
> > is at least consistent, as well as per user expectations...
> >
> > Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
> >
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> >
> > On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 19:10, Paul van Rijckevorsel via Taxacom
> > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > The /ICNafp/ makes no distinction between descriptive
> > names with an ending that implies a rank and names
> > without such an ending.
> >
> > It seems likely that authors do. So/Eophytidae/ Edwards,
> > Morris, Axe, Duckett, Pressel&Kenrick (2021) can be
> > used (unaltered in spelling and with that exact authorship)
> > in any rank above that of family, but it seems unlikely
> > that this will be popular (presumably somebody looking
> > for a name at the rank of class may well be inclined to
> > publish a new name /Eophytopsida/).
> >
> > A name like /Chlorophyta/ is just a Latin word (originating
> > in Greek) for "green plants" and it would be a personal
> > choice to say that the -/phyta/ implies a rank.
> >
> > Or to put it differently, if the authors of/Eophytidae/
> > intended to publish a name that could easily be used
> > generally, in any rank, they would have done better to
> > publish a name in the form of /Eophyta/, or /Eospermae/,
> > etc.
> >
> > There probably should be a Recommendation against
> > publishing descriptive names with endings that imply a
> > rank.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 30-Mar-23 04:27, Tony Rees via Taxacom wrote:
> > > Thanks Richard... however as I see it, there is a
> distinction, not
> > > commented upon in the Code, between descriptive names that do
> > not carry any
> > > rank connotation - such as "Angiospermae" - and those that do,
> > such as
> > > "Chlorophyta" - the latter used almost exclusively to denote a
> > Division
> > > (Phylum), while at class level it is Chlorophyceae. I would
> > contend that
> > > "Eophytidae" carries the implied rak of subclass, as explained
> > by the
> > > authors who created the name, and that it would be perfectly
> > reasonable -
> > > in fact to be expected - for the termination to be changed
> if it
> > were
> > > re-used at another rank...
> > >
> > > After all, the Code says that descriptive names " _may_ be
> used
> > unchanged
> > > at different ranks", not " _must_ be used..." (my emphasis).
> > >
> > > Regards - Tony
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 at 12:34, Richard
> Rabeler<rabeler at umich.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear Tony:
> > >>
> > >> An interesting question to which I will offer an observation.
> > >>
> > >> From my reading of your explanation and the relevant Code
> > sections, it
> > >> looks like a descriptive name is not subject to following the
> > terminations
> > >> for ranks above family. Those endings are noted in Sect.
> 16.3
> > which begins:
> > >>
> > >> *16.3.* Automatically typified names end as follows:
> > >>
> > >> That may explain the statements noting that descriptive names
> > "may be
> > >> used unchanged at different ranks"; they are not subject to
> > standard
> > >> terminations.
> > >>
> > >> Sincerely,
> > >>
> > >> Rich Rabeler, MICH
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 6:01 PM Tony Rees via Taxacom <
> > >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Dear all,
> > >>>
> > >>> I am seeking advice as to how a descriptive name above the
> > rank of family
> > >>> can be re-used, with a change in termination (to signify
> > changed rank)
> > >>> with
> > >>> or without a change in cited authorship and/or "stat.
> nov." -
> > the latter
> > >>> presumably requiring a formal publication.
> > >>>
> > >>> The name in question is Eophytidae Edwards, Morris, Axe,
> > Duckett, Pressel
> > >>> &
> > >>> Kenrick, 2021, erected as a subclass within class
> Embryopsida,
> > consistent
> > >>> with the treatment of land plants by Chase & Reveal, 2009,
> > except that
> > >>> "Embryopsida" replaces the latter's "Equisetopsida".
> > >>>
> > >>> This name is erected at a similar rank to bryophytes,
> > marchantiophytes
> > >>> atc.
> > >>> which are at equivalent rank i.e. subclass in the Chase
> & Reveal
> > >>> treatment.
> > >>> However in other treatments such as that of Ruggiero et
> al., 2015,
> > >>> followed
> > >>> in my own IRMNG system and elsewhere, bryyophytes, etc. are
> > treated as
> > >>> separate phyla within Embryophyta, which is represented as a
> > superphylum.
> > >>>
> > >>> So my requirement is to treat the "eophytes" (presently
> > Eophytidae) as a
> > >>> separate phylum, e.g. "Eophyta", where it will sit alongside
> > >>> Anthocerotophyta, Bryophyta, Charophyta and so on. Note
> here,
> > "Eophytidae"
> > >>> is a "descriptive name" per the ICNafp (not based on a
> genus)
> > so falls
> > >>> under the provisions of Arts. 16 and 6.10, thus:
> > >>> -------------
> > >>> Article 16.1 Names above the rank of family
> > >>> "… descriptive names … may be used unchanged at
> different ranks"
> > >>> -------------
> > >>> Article 6.10 Note 3
> > >>> Note 3. A descriptive name (Art. 16.1(b)) used at a rank
> > different from
> > >>> that at which it was first validly published is not a
> name at
> > new rank
> > >>> because descriptive names may be used unchanged at different
> > ranks.
> > >>> -------------
> > >>> So one reading of this is that Eophytidae may be recast as
> > "Eophyta" (with
> > >>> the same circumscription) without a change of
> authorship, and not
> > >>> requiring
> > >>> a published "stat. nov.". However the alternative reading
> > would be that a
> > >>> published change of authorship would be needed, plus a
> "stat.
> > nov.", since
> > >>> although the initial portion of the name is unchanged, the
> > termination is
> > >>> -
> > >>> in other words the name is not "unchanged" in the sense of
> > Art. 16.1.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thoughts, advice appreciated.
> > >>>
> > >>> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
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