Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals ofoffending scientific names)

[Alfredo Vizzini]

it would be even better, but I didn't dare so much. However, the important
thing is to become independent from the botanical empire

Alfredo

Il mer 28 giu 2023, 11:18 Mary Barkworth <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu> ha
scritto:

> Why not a code of their own? They actually do prepared and vote on their
> own proposals at their International Mycological Congresses. The proposals
> are voted on at a subsequent meeting of the Botanical Congress (not renamed
> yet) and I suspect almost no botanist or phycologists argues with their
> recommendations. Indeed, mycologists helped push the ICNafp to accept some
> changes that mycologists wanted to adopt for fungi (as traditionally
> interpreted).  Perhaps Zoologists should move.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* George Beccaloni <g.beccaloni at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:09 PM
> *To:* Alfredo Vizzini <alfredo.vizzini at unito.it>
> *Cc:* Mary Barkworth <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>; taxacom at lists.ku.edu <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals
> ofoffending scientific names)
>
> Would make sense as Fungi are more closely related to animals than to
> plants!
>
> George
>
>
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>
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 08:11, Alfredo Vizzini via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> if anything, it is time for mycology to free itself from subjection to
> botany and for mushrooms to pass under the ZooCode.....
>
> Alfredo
>
> Il mer 28 giu 2023, 01:36 Mary Barkworth via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> >
> ha scritto:
>
> > I do not see the logic in suggesting the need for a biological code
> > because one code is a nightmare. When Taxacom gets bogged down in long
> > (?endless) discussions are about the Zoological Code, I give thanks I am
> > interested in plants, not animals.  The discussions convince me of the
> > value of having a code that people accept even if they dislike parts of
> it.
> > Mary
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> on behalf of Stephen Thorpe
> > via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 1:36 AM
> > To: taxacom at lists.ku.edu <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>; Francisco
> > Welter-Schultes <fwelter at gwdg.de>
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals
> > ofoffending scientific names)
> >
> > One point to make about this entire discussion is that it seems to be
> > zoologically hijacked! Very little about the botanical code (or whatever
> > you want to call it). Perhaps it really is time for a unified code of
> > biological nomenclature?
> > Stephen
> >     On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 at 01:32:36 am NZST, Francisco
> > Welter-Schultes via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> >  Thank you Alberto for this well presented consideration on some
> > previously expressed arguments against gender agreement.
> >
> > I can agree with some of those points, but not all arguments have been
> > mentioned. I generally observed that not all arguments in this debate
> > have been presented in a balanced way.
> >
> > 1) Are Latin rules complicated? Basically they are not very complicated,
> > I ca agree with that, as well as Chinese language and script is not
> > complicated either. Very young children are able to learn Chinese, so
> > for the western world all could learn to speak and write Chinese, too,
> > and then the world would speak one single language. Not being
> > complicated is probably not suffient as an argument why people should or
> > are willing learn something. They would ask a question: yes it is not
> > complicated to learn it, but why should we learn it? Is there a benefit?
> >
> > Being a moderately skilled taxonomist myself, I am personally able to
> > determine off hand the correct endings of 90 % of molluscan names. In 10
> > % I need to research until I get the correct result. I am a taxonomist
> > and, as George has brought forward, I do not like this kind of
> > linguistic research very much, also because I think it is useless, and
> > so I tend to skip such researches and rely on previous authors having
> > done this.
> > Myself not being the only one to approach the issue in this way, many
> > molluscan names have remained in incorrect declinations for a long time.
> >
> > I analysed this issue in 2012 in my own taxonomic field.
> > 42 % of 2500 species-group names in European non-marine molluscs were
> > declinable adjectives.
> > In 2100 species, some 200 species had been transferred in the past to a
> > genus with a different gender and their ending was changed correctly. In
> > another 50 cases the ending was changed incorrectly. Malacologists
> > applied the gender agreement correctly in 80 % of the cases.
> >
> > This may give an idea to judge the meaning of the term "complicated". If
> > 80 % of the cases are solved correctly and 20 % not, is it complicated?
> > I would not use that term at all. I would just watch the result. We are
> > living in an experienced world and do not need to speculate.
> >
> > 2) I do not have the feeling that the desire to abandon gender agreement
> > is so strictly correlated with the person's language. I have often
> > registered views from English natives who reported that they had no
> > problem with the application of gender agreement, and native speakers of
> > languages with gender agreement who opted for changing the current
> > rules. Would be interesting to ask the community for their preference in
> > a way Frank has proposed it, and in such a survey ask the participants
> > for their own native language. Then we could see whether there is a
> > correlation or not, and take the appropriate conclusions.
> >
> > 3) Latin as a dead language. One of the effects is that only few
> > biologists have learned Latin in school. Knowledge of Latin is not
> > necessary for applying the gender agreement in zoology. You only need to
> > know the rules for the endings of adjectives and how to apply them. This
> > is only a very small portion of Latin grammar. Telling a machine to do
> > the gender agreement is quite easy, the machine does not need to know
> > Latin either.
> >
> > 4) Changing a name or an ending of a name does complicate things. Search
> > functions in some data resources are able to search tolerantly, in
> > others not. Google search is the best example for a character sensitive
> > search funtion: you get different results if you search for species
> > names with variant endings. The dead language problem pops up again
> > here: Latin is utterly unimportant for the world outside, otherwise
> > Google would long have been programmed in a way that would have solved
> > the problems of variant endings. I took Google search only as one
> > example, there are many scientific resources of the same kind.
> >
> > Linnaeus did not have a good idea to invent a binominal system for the
> > species names. When a species is placed into a different genus the name
> > of the species will change. People will have to look for two names in
> > the electronic sources when they intend to look for information about
> > this species. Linnaeus did invent the binominal nomenclature to improve
> > international (interlingual) scientific communication and to provide
> > only one single name for each species (before 1750 no universally
> > accepted names existed for the animals and plants), but initially he was
> > probably not aware that transferring a species from one genus to another
> > genus would have the contrary effect.
> >
> > So Alberto's argument is certainly true: Taxonomists are used to the
> > situation that a species may change its name. And I also agree with that
> > it should not be a problem that during such a change also the ending of
> > the specific name may change. After the new generic placement the number
> > of names that you need to know for finding information on such a species
> > is two: Elaphe longissima, Zamenis longissimus. It would equally be two
> > if the new name would be Zamenis longissima.
> > But.
> > Not all cases are so easy. If some taxonomists suddenly discover that
> > the long accustomed name Zamenis longissimus was incorrectly declined
> > for all the time in the past and should correctly read Zamenis
> > longissima, then we may ask: Is it really necessary to change that? What
> > is the benefit? Supercedes the benefit (a good feeling because Latin
> > grammar is applied correctly) the shortcomings (a third name to be
> > researched when trying to find all published information on this
> > species, database entries have to be changed)?
> >
> > Some other arguments brought forward in the debate:
> >
> > 5) Switching back to the original spelling would have the effect that
> > the number of names that would have to change would be high. In molluscs
> > 12 % of endings would have to switch once again.
> >
> > 6) A more balanced view on the restricted Code rule application in
> > Lepidoptera would be desired. I am missing a neutral scientific approach.
> > Just arguing that the lepidopterists do not respect the Code looks to me
> > somehow unfair because they do apply their rules since 1758, as well as
> > the others apply their rules since 1758. I am a Commissioner, I am not a
> > lepidopterist, so I have to look very closely and in a differentiated
> > manner on such an issue. I have to find an answer to the question "why?".
> > Linnaeus himself was the one who decided that lepidopteran names would
> > follow a different treatment than the other animal names. Linnaeus did
> > not use declineable adjectives in any of the 500 butterfly species-group
> > names he established. No colleage needed to decline lepidopteran names,
> > no lepidopterist needed to learn gender agreement, later this was
> > maintained. So there is a long history behind.
> > The written nomenclatural rules evolved slowly in a long process, and it
> > was simply overlooked that the lepidopteran nomenclature followed a
> > different unwritten regulation since 1758. The system works
> > successfully, so I tend to respect it.
> > Alternatively, suddenly starting to apply gender agreement, they would
> > have to check the endings of some 100,000 names for beind declineable or
> > not, they would probably find that some 65,000 names are declineable,
> > then they would have to change the endings of some 20,000 names.
> > The impact in lepidopterology would be of the same order of magnitude as
> > if the others would have to switch to the original spelling (item 5).
> >
> > 7) The waste of time argument was not mentioned by Alberto. Skilled
> > taxonomists need to spend time on something that does not contribute to
> > the knowledge and protection of nature.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Francisco
> >
> >
> > Am 27.06.2023 um 09:44 schrieb alberto ballerio via Taxacom:
> > >  I have followed the discussion with some dismay since the majority of
> > the arguments against gender agreement (or, sometimes, more generally
> > against Latin) are too whimsical to be accepted.
> > > To sum up, I see three rethorical/whimsical (and quite unpresentable in
> > my opinion) arguments and one pratical.
> > > The rethorical arguments are:
> > > 1) Latin gender agreement rules are complicated and there are a few
> > exceptions in the rules which furtherly complicate things. My answer is:
> in
> > taxonomy there are a lot of complicate things, some strictly necessary
> some
> > others less necessary, but every taxonomists diligently accepts them. So,
> > why not gender agreement? The intellectual effort needed for becoming
> > familiar with the idea of gender agreement is minimal and the Latin rules
> > about it required fin zooloigcal nomenclature are minimal. Furthermore,
> do
> > we have evidence that people coming from cultures which had nothing to do
> > with Latin (and/or with gender agreement), such as China and Japan, is
> > totally unable to use Latin (and/or gender agreement)? As far as I can
> see
> > they deal with Latin in an excellent way. And for those who do not like
> > adjectives there is always the option to choose a noun or a genitive
> (..or,
> > are also Latin genitive suffixes such as -i, -ae, another unaccetable
> thing
> > for you?).
> > > 2) "My native language does not know gender agreement therefore the
> > whole world must adapt to this". This is a very unpresentable argument
> (and
> > very immodest) and, as far as I can see, the most widespread. Then I
> > suppose that the day some of you decide to learn Italian, French,
> Spanish,
> > German or any other language having gender agreement rules, then you will
> > ask their governments to abolish such an outdated habit because you feel
> > not at ease with it....
> > > 3) Latin is a dead language, outdated and old fashioned. De facto
> Latin
> > is however the language with which the majority of the 2 millions (?)
> > existing scientific names have been crafted, being Latin or latinized.
> So,
> > a basic knowledge of Latin (and some Ancient Greek) remains a necessary
> > tool for a taxonomist in order to deal with what has been done up to now
> > and to understand the past of taxonomy. The existing names are also
> likely
> > to represent the most common and widespread living organims on this
> planet
> > and therefore these existing names are likely the ones destined to be
> used
> > more often. Of course it is possible to discuss anything about the future
> > of zoological nomenclature, even to abandon Latin and to switch to
> > vernacular names or to English, but I don't see any particular advantage
> in
> > doing this.
> > > The practical argument is:
> > > 4) names are labels, and, above all, are treated as such by databases
> > and computers, therefore any change in a name will complicate things for
> a
> > computer or anybody managing a database. Change is, however, a trademark
> of
> > taxonomy. Names and binomina continuously change because of some
> taxonomic
> > facts (e.g., new combinations, splitting and lumping of taxa),
> > nomenclatural rules (discovery of homonimies, gender agreement,
> corrections
> > of spellings)  and nomenclatural-taxonomic events (i.e., taxonomic
> > decisions which need to follow a nomenclatural rule, i.e., the principle
> of
> > prioriry, as in the case of synonymizations). A guy who 40 years ago had
> > learnt about the existence of a snake called Elaphe longissima will be
> > somewhat confused with the current name Zamenis longissimus and leaving
> it
> > as Zamenis longissima would not represent a big help to him for
> reconciling
> > the two binomina. So, anybody dealing with taxonomy needs to have some
> > knowledge of the rules of taxonomy and nomenclature, gender agreement is
> > one of them. And, if, currently, computers are unable to deal with it,
> > let's change computers and, please, do not adapt our mind to the limits
> of
> > a machine.
> > > To sum up: Being not afraid of Latin is a requisite for becoming a
> > taxonomist, like being not afraid of blood is a must if you want to
> become
> > a doctor! If you have a thing against Latin, then why are you a
> taxonomist?
> > There are other branches of natural history, such as ecology or ethology
> > you could consider and where you will become a simple user of scientific
> > names (and in some case you could even use only vernacular names!)
> without
> > the need to understand them and the rules behind them.
> > > Best regards,
> > > Alberto
> > >
> > >
> > >      Il martedì 27 giugno 2023 alle ore 05:11:58 CEST, Frank T. Krell
> > via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> ha scritto:
> > >
> > >  We (ICZN) are talking about how to organize straw votes on major
> > issues, such as gender agreement, involving as much of the global
> > interested zoological community as possible. I think that consulting the
> > community is crucial with such contentions issues as gender agreement or
> > mandatory registration. My term with the ICZN ends next year, but I will
> > try to push this as long as I can.
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > > Dr. Frank-Thorsten Krell
> > >
> > > Senior Curator of Entomology, Editor-in-Chief
> > > Commissioner and Councillor, International Commission on Zoological
> > Nomenclature
> > > Department of Zoology
> > > Denver Museum of Nature & Science
> > > 2001 Colorado Blvd
> > > Denver, Colorado 80205-5798, U.S.A.
> > > Frank.krell at dmns.org
> > > Phone 303.370.8244
> > > Fax 303.331.6492
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> > > Bugs: They're bigger, they're better, they're buggier than ever! It's
> > all about precision flight, swarm intelligence and mind control in the
> > world of "Bugs," the exhibition. Marvel at their adaptive genius and see
> if
> > you can match their brilliance.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bugs: Son más grandes, mejores y más increíbles que nunca. En la
> > exhibición "Bugs" todo gira en torno al vuelo de precisión, la
> inteligencia
> > en grupo y el control mental. ¡Descubre lo genios que son!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of George
> > Beccaloni via Taxacom
> > > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 11:10 AM
> > > To: Douglas Yanega <dyanega at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> > > Subject: Re: Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals
> > ofoffending scientific names)
> > >
> > > Hopefully the ICZN isn't a dictatorship... If not, perhaps it should
> > consult taxonomists worldwide and give them a vote about continuing or
> > abandoning gender agreement.
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > > *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
> > >
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> >
> ****************************************************************************
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> > >
> > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 18:02, Douglas Yanega via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 6/26/23 2:53 AM, Geoff Read via Taxacom wrote:
> > >>> As a database editor I can have great difficulty in ascertaining the
> > >> gender of a genus, because it isn't stated, and the derivation of the
> > >> name is obscure and unresolvable.
> > >>> Sometimes the view of the gender assignment oscillates between
> > >>> masculine
> > >> and feminine with successive authors over the decades. Who is right?
> > >>> The other unnecessary problem is that authors don't think it
> > >>> necessary
> > >> to explain themselves when they suddenly change the gender endings
> > >> within a genus. It's beneath them to help out in that way.
> > >>> So, lacking the explanation, we try to find the evidence for
> ourselves.
> > >> This is a terrific waste of my time.
> > >>
> > >> I agree, it IS a waste of your time.
> > >>
> > >> If there was a single list to consult that told you *instantly and
> > >> definitively* what gender any given genus is, and another list that
> > >> told you whether or not an epithet is subject to changes in spelling
> > >> (and what those changes are), do you think that this would resolve
> > >> this particular issue?
> > >>
> > >> Don't give in to the Dark Side.
> > >>
> > >> Peace,
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology      Entomology Research Museum
> > >> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314    skype: dyanega
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> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration for
> about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>
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