Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals of offending scientific names)

Mon Jun 26 04:28:42 CDT 2023

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 09:02, lynn <lynn at afriherp.org> wrote:

> English does have gender agreement - he, she and it; his, hers and its.
>
> What bothers me is if taxonomists find it so difficult to work with such a
> simple requirement as gender agreement, how can we trust their taxonomic
> work which should be far more complex?
>
> It seems that some of the problems (like Abba) are caused because the Code
> does not insist that all genus and species level names should be Latinised.
>
> Lynn
>
> > On 26 Jun 2023, at 00.14, George Beccaloni via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Given that English doesn't have gender agreement, I find it confusing
> too.
> > Given that English is now the language of science and many taxonomists
> > whose first language isn't English, are 'forced' to publish in English,
> it
> > seems ridiculous that they also have to understand gender agreement just
> > for the purposes of nomenclature. They have to first go to the trouble of
> > writing in English, and then have another hurdle to jump - one which
> serves
> > no practical purpose whatsoever! Gender agreement of scientific names is
> a
> > antiquated, useless and burdensome!
> >
> > George
> >
> >
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> > *Dr George Beccaloni FLS*
> > *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
> >
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> >
> >> On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 at 22:25, Dochterland via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Stephen,
> >>
> >> It depends on the level you want to achieve in a language. If you want
> to
> >> read Horace prima vista then Latin is complex and confusing indeed. But
> to
> >> attribute the correct gender to an adjective in a scientific name is
> very
> >> basic and simple indeed.
> >>
> >> Jan
> >>
> >>> Op 25 jun. 2023, om 23:17 heeft Stephen Thorpe <
> >> stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> het volgende geschreven:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dochterland,
> >>> A baby can learn to speak Chinese in a few months, but it is still
> >> complex and confusing to me!
> >>> Stephen
> >>> On Monday, 26 June 2023 at 09:08:05 am NZST, Dochterland via Taxacom <
> >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to add that gender agreement in classical languages is not
> >> “complex” or “confusing”. A twelve year old can master it in a few
> months
> >> time.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Jan
> >>>
> >>>> Op 25 jun. 2023, om 23:02 heeft Francisco Welter-Schultes via Taxacom
> <
> >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> het volgende
> >> geschreven:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Jean-Michel,
> >>>> These are not gender issues, but spelling issues. Their regulations
> >> would remain untouched as they are now.
> >>>>
> >>>> Francisco
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 25.06.2023 um 18:20 schrieb Jean Michel Maes via Taxacom:
> >>>>> If we go back to the gender of the original publication , to get only
> >> one
> >>>>> label for each species, what did we do with capitals (Deyrollei), "-"
> >>>>> (Wentzell-Heckmannae) or special characters ?
> >>>>> JM
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> >>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>> De: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu <mailto:
> >> taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu>] En nombre de George
> >>>>> Beccaloni via Taxacom
> >>>>> Enviado el: viernes, 23 de junio de 2023 10:43
> >>>>> Para: Douglas Yanega
> >>>>> CC: taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu> <mailto:
> >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >>>>> Asunto: Re: Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals
> >> of
> >>>>> offending scientific names)
> >>>>> If species names are just labels/unique identifiers, and the original
> >>>>> published name is the most important, and gender agreement is complex
> >> to get
> >>>>> right and is confusing to amateurs etc, and making a massive list of
> >> all
> >>>>> names will be costly and difficult, and gender agreement is an
> >> outdated
> >>>>> practise from a previous era, and gender agreement might not be
> >> regarded as
> >>>>> 'inclusive' in this day and age, then its seems like a jolly good
> >> idea to
> >>>>> get rid of it and revert to the original published names!
> >>>>> George
> >>>>>
> >>
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> >>>>> *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
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> >>>>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 at 17:30, Douglas Yanega via Taxacom <
> >>>>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu> <mailto:
> >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 6/22/23 8:37 PM, John Grehan wrote:
> >>>>>>> I am not as acquainted with all the experts out there that have
> >>>>>>> commented on this issue, but for the World Catalogue of Hepialidae
> >>>>>>> (hopefully published within a week or two at most) the authors
> >>>>>>> followed a precedent set by some past major players in hepialid
> >>>>>>> taxonomy and used the original form of the species name, regardless
> >>>>>>> of whether correct in the first place, or now in a genus with a
> >>>>>>> different gender. Keeps life simple, and as far as I am concerned,
> >>>>>>> quite comprehensible.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In principle, that could be true - about it keeping things simple -
> >>>>>> but in practice, it does not seem to work that way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The principle relies on all lepidopterists, and all other
> taxonomists
> >>>>>> using lepidopteran names, having access to a single authoritative
> >>>>>> master list of names (otherwise, people would need to each have
> >> access
> >>>>>> to copies of the original literature). In practice, there are LOTS
> of
> >>>>>> different sources for lep names, and they are very commonly in
> >>>>>> conflict with one another, here and there. The same species can have
> >>>>>> two different spellings scattered throughout the literature, as well
> >>>>>> as online sources, and that is not "keeping it simple".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The very first butterfly name I looked up just now - a butterfly I
> >>>>>> learned as "Mitoura gryneus" several decades ago - is one that stuck
> >>>>>> in my head as a budding entomologist because it was the very first
> >>>>>> time in my life I had learned a scientific name that was explained
> to
> >>>>>> me as being a gender mismatch, and when I first learned that
> >>>>>> lepidopterists didn't use gender agreement. The noteworthy thing
> >> about
> >>>>>> it is that if you do a verbatim Google search, you can find hundreds
> >>>>>> of sources that have "Mitoura gryneus", hundreds more that have
> >>>>>> "Mitoura grynea", hundreds more that have "Callophrys gryneus", and
> >>>>>> hundreds more that have "Callophrys grynea".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That does not at all look simple to me, and *that's just the first
> >>>>>> name I looked up*. I'm willing to wager that if there are other
> >> common
> >>>>>> leps with obvious gender mismatches, that they'll have a very high
> >>>>>> probability of appearing in the literature with multiple conflicting
> >>>>>> spellings.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This exemplifies EXACTLY why I advocate for a single authoritative
> >>>>>> master list. No system of gender agreement, even ZERO gender
> >>>>>> agreement, is going to ensure that everyone, everywhere, is on the
> >>>>>> same page unless there is a single shared resource that everyone
> uses
> >>>>>> to obtain the proper spelling. When everyone does their own
> >>>>>> independent research, people can come to different conclusions,
> >>>>>> leading to inconsistency. If the master list gives the spelling
> >>>>>> variants, *and tells you when to use which variant*, then there is
> no
> >>>>> reason not to keep gender agreement.
> >>>>>> Both approaches - keeping gender agreement or abandoning it - at
> >>>>>> *that* point would require exactly the same amount of effort: typing
> >> a
> >>>>>> name into a search engine linked to a list, and following the
> result.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's called "having our cake and eating it too".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Peace,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology      Entomology Research Museum
> >>>>>> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314    skype: dyanega
> >>>>>> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
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> >> for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
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> > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration for
> about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>