Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals of offending scientific names)

Sun Jun 25 18:40:03 CDT 2023

Sorry, but it isn't widely taught any more. Very few people in the world as
a whole are taught Latin! I wasn't, and in fact no one I know was. In the
Victorian times in the UK everyone was taught it, but that died out a very,
very long time ago. It really isn't useful or relevant in the modern world.

George

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 00:27, Dochterland <dochterland at telenet.be> wrote:

> Because Latin is not only a language, but also a system. A system that
> allows one to classify and interconnect things easily, once one knows the
> rules. That is why Latin is still tought widely. It is a way of thinking,
> maybe even a way of life, like riding a Harley Davidson.
>
> Op 26 jun. 2023, om 01:21 heeft George Beccaloni <g.beccaloni at gmail.com>
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> Well, that's a really weird argument! So you remember part of the
> species-group name, and then determine the ending based on the gender of
> the genus name! Why not just remember the entire species-group name to
> begin with - the original published name!
>
> George
>
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> On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 00:01, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org> wrote:
>
>> Gender agreement serves the purpose that you don't have to memorize every
>> single combination, every single ending. The genus determines the ending of
>> the specific name if it is an adjective (, which are many or most). No
>> memorizing of original spellings necessary. Easy and time-saving.
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> Dr. Frank-Thorsten Krell
>>
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>> Commissioner and Councillor, International Commission on Zoological
>> Nomenclature
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>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of George
>> Beccaloni via Taxacom
>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2023 4:43 PM
>> To: Dochterland <dochterland at telenet.be>
>> Cc: Taxacom Mailinglist <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
>> Subject: Re: Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals of
>> offending scientific names)
>>
>> The main point is that it serves no useful purpose, yet is an effort to
>> do.
>> Why do it then? Do you like expending effort unnecessarily? As others
>> have pointed out, it is not as simple as you make it out to be anyway.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> George
>>
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>> *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
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>> On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 at 23:37, Dochterland <dochterland at telenet.be> wrote:
>>
>> > I couldn’t agree with you more, Martin. But then I have been raised by
>> > the jesuits…
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Jan
>> >
>> > Op 26 jun. 2023, om 00:33 heeft Martin Fikáček <mfikacek at gmail.com>
>> > het volgende geschreven:
>> >
>> > Well, gender agreement in Latin is not complex and has clear rules. No
>> > idea why that means it is burden or antique. We need to learn rules
>> > how to use things in every step of our research. When coding in R
>> > doing analyses, I need to learn basic rules how the sy tax work. When
>> > doing DNA research we need to learn many extremely complex rules of
>> > how DNA works and how it's analyses work. When speaking any language
>> > other then my mother tongue, I need to learn rules to make my text
>> > clear ... even now when writing in English, I follow tons of simple
>> > rules I had to learn. So why learning the fact that there are three
>> > genders and corresponding three endings of adjectives should be so
>> > hard? It's simpler than R, it's simpler then DNA, it's simpler than
>> > all statistics and analyses I ever learned. Would your argument be
>> > thar it makes databasing hard, I would consider it. But just saying it
>> > is burden and antique is no reason - just an effort to write something
>> or personal laziness.
>> >
>> > Martin
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, 06:14 George Beccaloni via Taxacom <
>> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Given that English doesn't have gender agreement, I find it confusing
>> too.
>> >> Given that English is now the language of science and many
>> >> taxonomists whose first language isn't English, are 'forced' to
>> >> publish in English, it seems ridiculous that they also have to
>> >> understand gender agreement just for the purposes of nomenclature.
>> >> They have to first go to the trouble of writing in English, and then
>> >> have another hurdle to jump - one which serves no practical purpose
>> >> whatsoever! Gender agreement of scientific names is a antiquated,
>> >> useless and burdensome!
>> >>
>> >> George
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
>> >>
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>> >> On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 at 22:25, Dochterland via Taxacom <
>> >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Dear Stephen,
>> >> >
>> >> > It depends on the level you want to achieve in a language. If you
>> >> > want
>> >> to
>> >> > read Horace prima vista then Latin is complex and confusing indeed.
>> >> > But
>> >> to
>> >> > attribute the correct gender to an adjective in a scientific name
>> >> > is
>> >> very
>> >> > basic and simple indeed.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jan
>> >> >
>> >> > > Op 25 jun. 2023, om 23:17 heeft Stephen Thorpe <
>> >> > stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> het volgende geschreven:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Dochterland,
>> >> > > A baby can learn to speak Chinese in a few months, but it is
>> >> > > still
>> >> > complex and confusing to me!
>> >> > > Stephen
>> >> > > On Monday, 26 June 2023 at 09:08:05 am NZST, Dochterland via
>> >> > > Taxacom <
>> >> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Dear all,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I would like to add that gender agreement in classical languages
>> >> > > is
>> >> not
>> >> > “complex” or “confusing”. A twelve year old can master it in a few
>> >> months
>> >> > time.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Jan
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Op 25 jun. 2023, om 23:02 heeft Francisco Welter-Schultes via
>> >> Taxacom <
>> >> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> het volgende
>> >> > geschreven:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Dear Jean-Michel,
>> >> > > > These are not gender issues, but spelling issues. Their
>> >> > > > regulations
>> >> > would remain untouched as they are now.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Francisco
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Am 25.06.2023 um 18:20 schrieb Jean Michel Maes via Taxacom:
>> >> > > >> If we go back to the gender of the original publication , to
>> >> > > >> get
>> >> only
>> >> > one
>> >> > > >> label for each species, what did we do with capitals
>> >> > > >> (Deyrollei),
>> >> "-"
>> >> > > >> (Wentzell-Heckmannae) or special characters ?
>> >> > > >> JM
>> >> > > >> Dr. Jean-Michel Maes
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>> >> > > >> -----Mensaje original-----
>> >> > > >> De: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu <mailto:
>> >> > taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu>] En nombre de George
>> >> > > >> Beccaloni via Taxacom
>> >> > > >> Enviado el: viernes, 23 de junio de 2023 10:43
>> >> > > >> Para: Douglas Yanega
>> >> > > >> CC: taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu> <mailto:
>> >> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
>> >> > > >> Asunto: Re: Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re:
>> >> Removals
>> >> > of
>> >> > > >> offending scientific names)
>> >> > > >> If species names are just labels/unique identifiers, and the
>> >> original
>> >> > > >> published name is the most important, and gender agreement is
>> >> complex
>> >> > to get
>> >> > > >> right and is confusing to amateurs etc, and making a massive
>> >> > > >> list
>> >> of
>> >> > all
>> >> > > >> names will be costly and difficult, and gender agreement is an
>> >> > outdated
>> >> > > >> practise from a previous era, and gender agreement might not
>> >> > > >> be
>> >> > regarded as
>> >> > > >> 'inclusive' in this day and age, then its seems like a jolly
>> >> > > >> good
>> >> > idea to
>> >> > > >> get rid of it and revert to the original published names!
>> >> > > >> George
>> >> > > >>
>> >> >
>> >> *********************************************************************
>> >> *******
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>> >> > > >> *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
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>> >> > > >>
>> >> >
>> >> *********************************************************************
>> >> *******
>> >> > > >> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 at 17:30, Douglas Yanega via Taxacom <
>> >> > > >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu> <mailto:
>> >> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
>> >> > > >>> On 6/22/23 8:37 PM, John Grehan wrote:
>> >> > > >>>> I am not as acquainted with all the experts out there that
>> >> > > >>>> have commented on this issue, but for the World Catalogue of
>> >> Hepialidae
>> >> > > >>>> (hopefully published within a week or two at most) the
>> >> > > >>>> authors followed a precedent set by some past major players
>> >> > > >>>> in hepialid taxonomy and used the original form of the
>> >> > > >>>> species name,
>> >> regardless
>> >> > > >>>> of whether correct in the first place, or now in a genus
>> >> > > >>>> with a different gender. Keeps life simple, and as far as I
>> >> > > >>>> am
>> >> concerned,
>> >> > > >>>> quite comprehensible.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> In principle, that could be true - about it keeping things
>> >> > > >>> simple
>> >> -
>> >> > > >>> but in practice, it does not seem to work that way.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> The principle relies on all lepidopterists, and all other
>> >> taxonomists
>> >> > > >>> using lepidopteran names, having access to a single
>> >> > > >>> authoritative master list of names (otherwise, people would
>> >> > > >>> need to each have
>> >> > access
>> >> > > >>> to copies of the original literature). In practice, there are
>> >> LOTS of
>> >> > > >>> different sources for lep names, and they are very commonly
>> >> > > >>> in conflict with one another, here and there. The same
>> >> > > >>> species can
>> >> have
>> >> > > >>> two different spellings scattered throughout the literature,
>> >> > > >>> as
>> >> well
>> >> > > >>> as online sources, and that is not "keeping it simple".
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> The very first butterfly name I looked up just now - a
>> >> > > >>> butterfly I learned as "Mitoura gryneus" several decades ago
>> >> > > >>> - is one that
>> >> stuck
>> >> > > >>> in my head as a budding entomologist because it was the very
>> >> > > >>> first time in my life I had learned a scientific name that
>> >> > > >>> was
>> >> explained to
>> >> > > >>> me as being a gender mismatch, and when I first learned that
>> >> > > >>> lepidopterists didn't use gender agreement. The noteworthy
>> >> > > >>> thing
>> >> > about
>> >> > > >>> it is that if you do a verbatim Google search, you can find
>> >> hundreds
>> >> > > >>> of sources that have "Mitoura gryneus", hundreds more that
>> >> > > >>> have "Mitoura grynea", hundreds more that have "Callophrys
>> >> > > >>> gryneus",
>> >> and
>> >> > > >>> hundreds more that have "Callophrys grynea".
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> That does not at all look simple to me, and *that's just the
>> >> > > >>> first name I looked up*. I'm willing to wager that if there
>> >> > > >>> are other
>> >> > common
>> >> > > >>> leps with obvious gender mismatches, that they'll have a very
>> >> > > >>> high probability of appearing in the literature with multiple
>> >> conflicting
>> >> > > >>> spellings.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> This exemplifies EXACTLY why I advocate for a single
>> >> > > >>> authoritative master list. No system of gender agreement,
>> >> > > >>> even ZERO gender agreement, is going to ensure that everyone,
>> >> > > >>> everywhere, is on the same page unless there is a single
>> >> > > >>> shared resource that everyone
>> >> uses
>> >> > > >>> to obtain the proper spelling. When everyone does their own
>> >> > > >>> independent research, people can come to different
>> >> > > >>> conclusions, leading to inconsistency. If the master list
>> >> > > >>> gives the spelling variants, *and tells you when to use which
>> >> > > >>> variant*, then there
>> >> is no
>> >> > > >> reason not to keep gender agreement.
>> >> > > >>> Both approaches - keeping gender agreement or abandoning it -
>> >> > > >>> at
>> >> > > >>> *that* point would require exactly the same amount of effort:
>> >> typing
>> >> > a
>> >> > > >>> name into a search engine linked to a list, and following the
>> >> result.
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> It's called "having our cake and eating it too".
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> Peace,
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> --
>> >> > > >>> Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology      Entomology Research
>> >> Museum
>> >> > > >>> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314    skype: dyanega
>> >> > > >>> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not
>> UCR's)
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>> >> > > >>>          is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick,
>> Chap.
>> >> 82
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>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring
>> >> > > > alliteration
>> >> > for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> >> > >
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>> >> > > The Taxacom email archive back to 1992 can be searched at:
>> >> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C13eb02c8f7e84167c5b108db75d59067%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638233332345327425%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rJWlUBj4tgMuCc99bP16qzMr9Xer2DjPggkBKDbRHHc%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C13eb02c8f7e84167c5b108db75d59067%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638233332345327425%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rJWlUBj4tgMuCc99bP16qzMr9Xer2DjPggkBKDbRHHc%3D&reserved=0>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring
>> >> > > alliteration
>> >> for
>> >> > about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> >> >
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>> >> taxacom-owner at lists.ku.edu
>> >> > The Taxacom email archive back to 1992 can be searched at:
>> >> > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C13eb02c8f7e84167c5b108db75d59067%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638233332345327425%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rJWlUBj4tgMuCc99bP16qzMr9Xer2DjPggkBKDbRHHc%3D&reserved=0
>> >> >
>> >> > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring
>> >> > alliteration for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> >> >
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>> >> taxacom-owner at lists.ku.edu The Taxacom email archive back to 1992 can
>> be searched at:
>> >> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C13eb02c8f7e84167c5b108db75d59067%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638233332345327425%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rJWlUBj4tgMuCc99bP16qzMr9Xer2DjPggkBKDbRHHc%3D&reserved=0
>> >>
>> >> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
>> >> for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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>> The Taxacom email archive back to 1992 can be searched at:
>> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftaxacom.markmail.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C13eb02c8f7e84167c5b108db75d59067%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C638233332345327425%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rJWlUBj4tgMuCc99bP16qzMr9Xer2DjPggkBKDbRHHc%3D&reserved=0
>>
>> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration for
>> about 36 years, 1987-2023.
>>
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