Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals of offending scientific names)
George Beccaloni
g.beccaloni at gmail.com
Sun Jun 25 18:21:12 CDT 2023
Hi Frank,
Well, that's a really weird argument! So you remember part of the
species-group name, and then determine the ending based on the gender of
the genus name! Why not just remember the entire species-group name to
begin with - the original published name!
George
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 00:01, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org> wrote:
> Gender agreement serves the purpose that you don't have to memorize every
> single combination, every single ending. The genus determines the ending of
> the specific name if it is an adjective (, which are many or most). No
> memorizing of original spellings necessary. Easy and time-saving.
> Frank
>
>
> Dr. Frank-Thorsten Krell
>
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> Nomenclature
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of George
> Beccaloni via Taxacom
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2023 4:43 PM
> To: Dochterland <dochterland at telenet.be>
> Cc: Taxacom Mailinglist <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals of
> offending scientific names)
>
> The main point is that it serves no useful purpose, yet is an effort to do.
> Why do it then? Do you like expending effort unnecessarily? As others have
> pointed out, it is not as simple as you make it out to be anyway.
>
> cheers,
>
> George
>
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> On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 at 23:37, Dochterland <dochterland at telenet.be> wrote:
>
> > I couldn’t agree with you more, Martin. But then I have been raised by
> > the jesuits…
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > Op 26 jun. 2023, om 00:33 heeft Martin Fikáček <mfikacek at gmail.com>
> > het volgende geschreven:
> >
> > Well, gender agreement in Latin is not complex and has clear rules. No
> > idea why that means it is burden or antique. We need to learn rules
> > how to use things in every step of our research. When coding in R
> > doing analyses, I need to learn basic rules how the sy tax work. When
> > doing DNA research we need to learn many extremely complex rules of
> > how DNA works and how it's analyses work. When speaking any language
> > other then my mother tongue, I need to learn rules to make my text
> > clear ... even now when writing in English, I follow tons of simple
> > rules I had to learn. So why learning the fact that there are three
> > genders and corresponding three endings of adjectives should be so
> > hard? It's simpler than R, it's simpler then DNA, it's simpler than
> > all statistics and analyses I ever learned. Would your argument be
> > thar it makes databasing hard, I would consider it. But just saying it
> > is burden and antique is no reason - just an effort to write something
> or personal laziness.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, 06:14 George Beccaloni via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Given that English doesn't have gender agreement, I find it confusing
> too.
> >> Given that English is now the language of science and many
> >> taxonomists whose first language isn't English, are 'forced' to
> >> publish in English, it seems ridiculous that they also have to
> >> understand gender agreement just for the purposes of nomenclature.
> >> They have to first go to the trouble of writing in English, and then
> >> have another hurdle to jump - one which serves no practical purpose
> >> whatsoever! Gender agreement of scientific names is a antiquated,
> >> useless and burdensome!
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
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> >> On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 at 22:25, Dochterland via Taxacom <
> >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dear Stephen,
> >> >
> >> > It depends on the level you want to achieve in a language. If you
> >> > want
> >> to
> >> > read Horace prima vista then Latin is complex and confusing indeed.
> >> > But
> >> to
> >> > attribute the correct gender to an adjective in a scientific name
> >> > is
> >> very
> >> > basic and simple indeed.
> >> >
> >> > Jan
> >> >
> >> > > Op 25 jun. 2023, om 23:17 heeft Stephen Thorpe <
> >> > stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> het volgende geschreven:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Dochterland,
> >> > > A baby can learn to speak Chinese in a few months, but it is
> >> > > still
> >> > complex and confusing to me!
> >> > > Stephen
> >> > > On Monday, 26 June 2023 at 09:08:05 am NZST, Dochterland via
> >> > > Taxacom <
> >> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Dear all,
> >> > >
> >> > > I would like to add that gender agreement in classical languages
> >> > > is
> >> not
> >> > “complex” or “confusing”. A twelve year old can master it in a few
> >> months
> >> > time.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > >
> >> > > Jan
> >> > >
> >> > > > Op 25 jun. 2023, om 23:02 heeft Francisco Welter-Schultes via
> >> Taxacom <
> >> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> het volgende
> >> > geschreven:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Dear Jean-Michel,
> >> > > > These are not gender issues, but spelling issues. Their
> >> > > > regulations
> >> > would remain untouched as they are now.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Francisco
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Am 25.06.2023 um 18:20 schrieb Jean Michel Maes via Taxacom:
> >> > > >> If we go back to the gender of the original publication , to
> >> > > >> get
> >> only
> >> > one
> >> > > >> label for each species, what did we do with capitals
> >> > > >> (Deyrollei),
> >> "-"
> >> > > >> (Wentzell-Heckmannae) or special characters ?
> >> > > >> JM
> >> > > >> Dr. Jean-Michel Maes
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> >> > > >> -----Mensaje original-----
> >> > > >> De: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu <mailto:
> >> > taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu>] En nombre de George
> >> > > >> Beccaloni via Taxacom
> >> > > >> Enviado el: viernes, 23 de junio de 2023 10:43
> >> > > >> Para: Douglas Yanega
> >> > > >> CC: taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu> <mailto:
> >> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >> > > >> Asunto: Re: Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re:
> >> Removals
> >> > of
> >> > > >> offending scientific names)
> >> > > >> If species names are just labels/unique identifiers, and the
> >> original
> >> > > >> published name is the most important, and gender agreement is
> >> complex
> >> > to get
> >> > > >> right and is confusing to amateurs etc, and making a massive
> >> > > >> list
> >> of
> >> > all
> >> > > >> names will be costly and difficult, and gender agreement is an
> >> > outdated
> >> > > >> practise from a previous era, and gender agreement might not
> >> > > >> be
> >> > regarded as
> >> > > >> 'inclusive' in this day and age, then its seems like a jolly
> >> > > >> good
> >> > idea to
> >> > > >> get rid of it and revert to the original published names!
> >> > > >> George
> >> > > >>
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> *********************************************************************
> >> *******
> >> > > >> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 at 17:30, Douglas Yanega via Taxacom <
> >> > > >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu> <mailto:
> >> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> >> > > >>> On 6/22/23 8:37 PM, John Grehan wrote:
> >> > > >>>> I am not as acquainted with all the experts out there that
> >> > > >>>> have commented on this issue, but for the World Catalogue of
> >> Hepialidae
> >> > > >>>> (hopefully published within a week or two at most) the
> >> > > >>>> authors followed a precedent set by some past major players
> >> > > >>>> in hepialid taxonomy and used the original form of the
> >> > > >>>> species name,
> >> regardless
> >> > > >>>> of whether correct in the first place, or now in a genus
> >> > > >>>> with a different gender. Keeps life simple, and as far as I
> >> > > >>>> am
> >> concerned,
> >> > > >>>> quite comprehensible.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> In principle, that could be true - about it keeping things
> >> > > >>> simple
> >> -
> >> > > >>> but in practice, it does not seem to work that way.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> The principle relies on all lepidopterists, and all other
> >> taxonomists
> >> > > >>> using lepidopteran names, having access to a single
> >> > > >>> authoritative master list of names (otherwise, people would
> >> > > >>> need to each have
> >> > access
> >> > > >>> to copies of the original literature). In practice, there are
> >> LOTS of
> >> > > >>> different sources for lep names, and they are very commonly
> >> > > >>> in conflict with one another, here and there. The same
> >> > > >>> species can
> >> have
> >> > > >>> two different spellings scattered throughout the literature,
> >> > > >>> as
> >> well
> >> > > >>> as online sources, and that is not "keeping it simple".
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> The very first butterfly name I looked up just now - a
> >> > > >>> butterfly I learned as "Mitoura gryneus" several decades ago
> >> > > >>> - is one that
> >> stuck
> >> > > >>> in my head as a budding entomologist because it was the very
> >> > > >>> first time in my life I had learned a scientific name that
> >> > > >>> was
> >> explained to
> >> > > >>> me as being a gender mismatch, and when I first learned that
> >> > > >>> lepidopterists didn't use gender agreement. The noteworthy
> >> > > >>> thing
> >> > about
> >> > > >>> it is that if you do a verbatim Google search, you can find
> >> hundreds
> >> > > >>> of sources that have "Mitoura gryneus", hundreds more that
> >> > > >>> have "Mitoura grynea", hundreds more that have "Callophrys
> >> > > >>> gryneus",
> >> and
> >> > > >>> hundreds more that have "Callophrys grynea".
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> That does not at all look simple to me, and *that's just the
> >> > > >>> first name I looked up*. I'm willing to wager that if there
> >> > > >>> are other
> >> > common
> >> > > >>> leps with obvious gender mismatches, that they'll have a very
> >> > > >>> high probability of appearing in the literature with multiple
> >> conflicting
> >> > > >>> spellings.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> This exemplifies EXACTLY why I advocate for a single
> >> > > >>> authoritative master list. No system of gender agreement,
> >> > > >>> even ZERO gender agreement, is going to ensure that everyone,
> >> > > >>> everywhere, is on the same page unless there is a single
> >> > > >>> shared resource that everyone
> >> uses
> >> > > >>> to obtain the proper spelling. When everyone does their own
> >> > > >>> independent research, people can come to different
> >> > > >>> conclusions, leading to inconsistency. If the master list
> >> > > >>> gives the spelling variants, *and tells you when to use which
> >> > > >>> variant*, then there
> >> is no
> >> > > >> reason not to keep gender agreement.
> >> > > >>> Both approaches - keeping gender agreement or abandoning it -
> >> > > >>> at
> >> > > >>> *that* point would require exactly the same amount of effort:
> >> typing
> >> > a
> >> > > >>> name into a search engine linked to a list, and following the
> >> result.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> It's called "having our cake and eating it too".
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Peace,
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> --
> >> > > >>> Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research
> >> Museum
> >> > > >>> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega
> >> > > >>> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
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> >> > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring
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> >> > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring
> >> > alliteration for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
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> >>
> >> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
> >> for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> >>
> >
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> Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration for
> about 36 years, 1987-2023.
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