Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re: Removals of offending scientific names)
George Beccaloni
g.beccaloni at gmail.com
Sun Jun 25 17:43:21 CDT 2023
The main point is that it serves no useful purpose, yet is an effort to do.
Why do it then? Do you like expending effort unnecessarily? As others have
pointed out, it is not as simple as you make it out to be anyway.
cheers,
George
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 at 23:37, Dochterland <dochterland at telenet.be> wrote:
> I couldn’t agree with you more, Martin. But then I have been raised by the
> jesuits…
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jan
>
> Op 26 jun. 2023, om 00:33 heeft Martin Fikáček <mfikacek at gmail.com> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Well, gender agreement in Latin is not complex and has clear rules. No
> idea why that means it is burden or antique. We need to learn rules how to
> use things in every step of our research. When coding in R doing analyses,
> I need to learn basic rules how the sy tax work. When doing DNA research we
> need to learn many extremely complex rules of how DNA works and how it's
> analyses work. When speaking any language other then my mother tongue, I
> need to learn rules to make my text clear ... even now when writing in
> English, I follow tons of simple rules I had to learn. So why learning the
> fact that there are three genders and corresponding three endings of
> adjectives should be so hard? It's simpler than R, it's simpler then DNA,
> it's simpler than all statistics and analyses I ever learned. Would your
> argument be thar it makes databasing hard, I would consider it. But just
> saying it is burden and antique is no reason - just an effort to write
> something or personal laziness.
>
> Martin
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, 06:14 George Beccaloni via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>> Given that English doesn't have gender agreement, I find it confusing too.
>> Given that English is now the language of science and many taxonomists
>> whose first language isn't English, are 'forced' to publish in English, it
>> seems ridiculous that they also have to understand gender agreement just
>> for the purposes of nomenclature. They have to first go to the trouble of
>> writing in English, and then have another hurdle to jump - one which
>> serves
>> no practical purpose whatsoever! Gender agreement of scientific names is a
>> antiquated, useless and burdensome!
>>
>> George
>>
>>
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>> *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
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>> On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 at 22:25, Dochterland via Taxacom <
>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Stephen,
>> >
>> > It depends on the level you want to achieve in a language. If you want
>> to
>> > read Horace prima vista then Latin is complex and confusing indeed. But
>> to
>> > attribute the correct gender to an adjective in a scientific name is
>> very
>> > basic and simple indeed.
>> >
>> > Jan
>> >
>> > > Op 25 jun. 2023, om 23:17 heeft Stephen Thorpe <
>> > stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> het volgende geschreven:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dochterland,
>> > > A baby can learn to speak Chinese in a few months, but it is still
>> > complex and confusing to me!
>> > > Stephen
>> > > On Monday, 26 June 2023 at 09:08:05 am NZST, Dochterland via Taxacom <
>> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear all,
>> > >
>> > > I would like to add that gender agreement in classical languages is
>> not
>> > “complex” or “confusing”. A twelve year old can master it in a few
>> months
>> > time.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > Jan
>> > >
>> > > > Op 25 jun. 2023, om 23:02 heeft Francisco Welter-Schultes via
>> Taxacom <
>> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> het volgende
>> > geschreven:
>> > > >
>> > > > Dear Jean-Michel,
>> > > > These are not gender issues, but spelling issues. Their regulations
>> > would remain untouched as they are now.
>> > > >
>> > > > Francisco
>> > > >
>> > > > Am 25.06.2023 um 18:20 schrieb Jean Michel Maes via Taxacom:
>> > > >> If we go back to the gender of the original publication , to get
>> only
>> > one
>> > > >> label for each species, what did we do with capitals (Deyrollei),
>> "-"
>> > > >> (Wentzell-Heckmannae) or special characters ?
>> > > >> JM
>> > > >> Dr. Jean-Michel Maes
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>> > > >> -----Mensaje original-----
>> > > >> De: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu <mailto:
>> > taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu>] En nombre de George
>> > > >> Beccaloni via Taxacom
>> > > >> Enviado el: viernes, 23 de junio de 2023 10:43
>> > > >> Para: Douglas Yanega
>> > > >> CC: taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu> <mailto:
>> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
>> > > >> Asunto: Re: Taxacom: demystifying gender agreement ( was Re:
>> Removals
>> > of
>> > > >> offending scientific names)
>> > > >> If species names are just labels/unique identifiers, and the
>> original
>> > > >> published name is the most important, and gender agreement is
>> complex
>> > to get
>> > > >> right and is confusing to amateurs etc, and making a massive list
>> of
>> > all
>> > > >> names will be costly and difficult, and gender agreement is an
>> > outdated
>> > > >> practise from a previous era, and gender agreement might not be
>> > regarded as
>> > > >> 'inclusive' in this day and age, then its seems like a jolly good
>> > idea to
>> > > >> get rid of it and revert to the original published names!
>> > > >> George
>> > > >>
>> >
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>> > > >> *Dr George Beccaloni FLS*
>> > > >> *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
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>> > > >> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 at 17:30, Douglas Yanega via Taxacom <
>> > > >> taxacom at lists.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu> <mailto:
>> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
>> > > >>> On 6/22/23 8:37 PM, John Grehan wrote:
>> > > >>>> I am not as acquainted with all the experts out there that have
>> > > >>>> commented on this issue, but for the World Catalogue of
>> Hepialidae
>> > > >>>> (hopefully published within a week or two at most) the authors
>> > > >>>> followed a precedent set by some past major players in hepialid
>> > > >>>> taxonomy and used the original form of the species name,
>> regardless
>> > > >>>> of whether correct in the first place, or now in a genus with a
>> > > >>>> different gender. Keeps life simple, and as far as I am
>> concerned,
>> > > >>>> quite comprehensible.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> In principle, that could be true - about it keeping things simple
>> -
>> > > >>> but in practice, it does not seem to work that way.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> The principle relies on all lepidopterists, and all other
>> taxonomists
>> > > >>> using lepidopteran names, having access to a single authoritative
>> > > >>> master list of names (otherwise, people would need to each have
>> > access
>> > > >>> to copies of the original literature). In practice, there are
>> LOTS of
>> > > >>> different sources for lep names, and they are very commonly in
>> > > >>> conflict with one another, here and there. The same species can
>> have
>> > > >>> two different spellings scattered throughout the literature, as
>> well
>> > > >>> as online sources, and that is not "keeping it simple".
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> The very first butterfly name I looked up just now - a butterfly I
>> > > >>> learned as "Mitoura gryneus" several decades ago - is one that
>> stuck
>> > > >>> in my head as a budding entomologist because it was the very first
>> > > >>> time in my life I had learned a scientific name that was
>> explained to
>> > > >>> me as being a gender mismatch, and when I first learned that
>> > > >>> lepidopterists didn't use gender agreement. The noteworthy thing
>> > about
>> > > >>> it is that if you do a verbatim Google search, you can find
>> hundreds
>> > > >>> of sources that have "Mitoura gryneus", hundreds more that have
>> > > >>> "Mitoura grynea", hundreds more that have "Callophrys gryneus",
>> and
>> > > >>> hundreds more that have "Callophrys grynea".
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> That does not at all look simple to me, and *that's just the first
>> > > >>> name I looked up*. I'm willing to wager that if there are other
>> > common
>> > > >>> leps with obvious gender mismatches, that they'll have a very high
>> > > >>> probability of appearing in the literature with multiple
>> conflicting
>> > > >>> spellings.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> This exemplifies EXACTLY why I advocate for a single authoritative
>> > > >>> master list. No system of gender agreement, even ZERO gender
>> > > >>> agreement, is going to ensure that everyone, everywhere, is on the
>> > > >>> same page unless there is a single shared resource that everyone
>> uses
>> > > >>> to obtain the proper spelling. When everyone does their own
>> > > >>> independent research, people can come to different conclusions,
>> > > >>> leading to inconsistency. If the master list gives the spelling
>> > > >>> variants, *and tells you when to use which variant*, then there
>> is no
>> > > >> reason not to keep gender agreement.
>> > > >>> Both approaches - keeping gender agreement or abandoning it - at
>> > > >>> *that* point would require exactly the same amount of effort:
>> typing
>> > a
>> > > >>> name into a search engine linked to a list, and following the
>> result.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> It's called "having our cake and eating it too".
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Peace,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> --
>> > > >>> Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research
>> Museum
>> > > >>> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega
>> > > >>> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
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>> > > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
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>> > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
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