Taxacom: Removals of offending scientific names

Fri Jun 23 18:57:02 CDT 2023

Hi Mike,

I am starting to look for some serious studies of this. So far I have found
this:
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George
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On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 at 00:49, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:

> George,
>
> Again, self-serving rewrite of history.  The N word as a racist term was
> introduced into the New World by the British, and taught to generations of
> British subjects up to 1789.   It was absolutely used derogatorily by the
> British.   Defining  people as black or white is an outcome of the British
> trading system of slavery, and was supported by the exclusion of people
> they called that word from the British Isles and selling them to British
> colonies, which were populated by and ruled  by the British.
>
> This is NOT a USA issue, it was practiced up until living memory by
> British rulers in British colonies.
>
> Show us a paper written by a black Briton that says the N word was not
> racist.
>
> Mike
> On 6/23/2023 5:38 PM, George Beccaloni wrote:
>
> ***External Sender***
> No, in the UK, the paper I read said it was not a racist term and simply
> meant black person. There wasn't another commonly used word or phrase for
> place people at the time that I am aware of. That means that many of the
> species names which were based on the word, and which were published by
> British workers, were probably innocuous.
>
> George
>
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> On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 at 00:30, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> To be more precise, in the US, it has become a highly derogatory term
>> for a white person to call a black person, but perfectly fine for a black
>> person to call another black person. I suspect that even in the U.K., it
>> was actually always used within a framework of racism, but the levels of
>> racism were much less serious/obvious than in the US.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Saturday, 24 June 2023 at 10:59:06 am NZST, George Beccaloni <
>> g.beccaloni at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>> A while ago I did some research into use of the N-word in Victorian
>> times, because people were criticizing Darwin and Wallace for (very
>> occasionally) using it. I discovered that in the UK it simply meant a black
>> person and was not meant to be offensive, but in the USA it became a highly
>> derogatory term for a black person.
>>
>> George
>>
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>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 at 23:22, Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
>> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>>
>>  There are interesting complications with Mike's example of the N-word.
>> For one thing, people use it all the time without raising an eyebrow,
>> providing that they are black people talking about each other, in a non
>> derogatory way. It would seem, however, that a white person, by virtue of
>> their skin colour,is not allowed to use the term, regardless of their
>> intentions. So certain terms can only be used by certain groups in society,
>> without being considered offensive. The other thing is that grammatical
>> variants of the N-word are commonplace in taxonomy (and elsewhere). The
>> epithets niger and nigra just mean black. Presumably the country of Nigeria
>> is named for the skin colour of its indigenous people. There is a hilarious
>> clip on YouTube where a young white American guy reacts to an episode of
>> the 1970s British comedy Fawlty Towers. Out of the blue, in the middle of
>> the episode, the characters start talking about ni66ers. The young guy
>> reacting doesn't say anything, but the uncomfortable and somewhat panicked
>> look on his face is priceless!
>> Anyway, my point , once again, is that offensiveness is subjective and
>> relative to geography and race, whereas taxonomy is (more or less)
>> objective and global in scope. Hence, I doubt very much whether it is
>> possible to sanitize taxonomy from everything that anybody might find
>> offensive.
>> Stephen    On Friday, 23 June 2023 at 04:42:46 am NZST, Michael A. Ivie
>> via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>>
>>  Let us remember that offensive names, images and words can have value as
>> warnings and instructive historical lessons.  How many would have missed
>> an important lesson if the statute of Ozymandias had been removed?
>> Doesn't the name Anophtalmus hitleri Scheibel 1937 remind us of the
>> popularity of the horrible man in the German speaking world at one
>> time?  Doesn't that give us the lesson to think about who we support
>> today?  Doesn't the original text of Huckleberry Finn or To Kill a
>> Mockingbird give insight into the world experienced by our ancestors,
>> both oppressed and oppressor? Isn't it instructive to understand that
>> your ancestors behaved in a despicable way?  Is there harm or value in
>> that realization?  I am all for the descendants of Nazis and
>> slaveholders being embarrassed about it.  That embarrassment hopefully
>> will inspire them to be better people than their ancestors.
>>
>> And does it not give humanity, dignity and respect to those who endured
>> under such disrespect and cruelty to acknowledge how deeply embedded it
>> was in even everyday speech?  Doesn't it bring pride in understanding
>> what they went through and still maintained their humanity and endured?
>> Horror, revulsion and sorrow are appropriate responses, and should be
>> embraced as such.  To avoid that is to diminish the sacrifice and
>> suffering of those who were victims.
>>
>> There is a line after which these things can't continue -- no new
>> statues of Hitler, and the old statues of Jefferson Davis go to museums,
>> not the public square.  Use of the N-word should be immediately shamed
>> and called out today anytime it is not in an historical context that is
>> used to educate.  But, their existence is important.
>>
>> At what point do we stop if we start down the path.  The Lampyridae
>> genus Chegueveria was named by a Russian entomologist. Che was a hero to
>> many and a demon to many others.  Is this name OK or not?  Does it bring
>> pain to the ancestors to those he murdered?  Probably, but also joy to
>> those he liberated.  Which one wins?  It is just a name, a moniker, the
>> taxon does not take on characteristics of others with the same name.
>> Even worse, the name was applied to a species from Puerto Rico, where
>> Che never went and was not involved.  So, it is historically ignorant as
>> well.  Can we ban names for being stupid?
>>
>> Eventually we will get to names that some just consider rude or
>> inappropriate in polite company.  Clitoria Linneaus or Orchis Linneaus
>> come to mind.  Do they have to go?
>>
>> And, what about specimen labels?  Many, many labels on specimens have
>> place names that would not be used today, but they are historic
>> documents and must be quoted verbatim.  This is uncomfortable, and we
>> should be glad for the reflective moment that uncomfortableness brings.
>> It shows growth and allows for reflection.
>>
>> Before I get the "old white man has no standing" I counter with being
>> raised in a visible religious minority that was subject to derogatory
>> names, derision, lies and slander, as well as discrimination.  I had to
>> see my mother called derogatory names because of her dress and beliefs.
>> While I "passed" and left that community, it is still painful to hear
>> statements by people who do not know my background.  And, as a disabled
>> person, I know, hear and endure slurs and microaggressions in my daily
>> life.  But, sticks and stones....
>>
>> Each and every historic name that offends is a teaching moment when it
>> is used.  This is not totally a bad thing.  It allows examination of our
>> history, warts and all.  Sugar coating and covering up that horrible
>> things happened by making references go away is not compatible with
>> facing them and making sure they never return.  Nor does their use
>> equate with glorifying evil.  The people who do that are beyond our reach.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 6/22/2023 8:49 AM, Frank T. Krell via Taxacom wrote:
>> > **External Sender**
>> >
>> > Nerdy, elitist gender agreement? Me thinking follow grammar being not
>> so badly. But that's just me 😊, coming from a language well organized by
>> grammar.
>> > If you don't want gender agreement, create specific names as nouns in
>> apposition, like abba, beccaloni, boris. And you are right, names are just
>> labels.
>> > I have recently seen a manuscript, hopefully soon to be published, that
>> finds that naming after celebrities helps much with the visibility of
>> taxonomy. This is important in these times where only things get recognized
>> and supported that people are talking about.
>> > Names are always a reflection of the time in which they were created.
>> Eradicating history is counterproductive. We need to be reminded of these
>> villains of the past, as often as possible.
>> > Frank
>> >
>> >
>> > Dr. Frank-Thorsten Krell
>> >
>> > Senior Curator of Entomology, Editor-in-Chief
>> > Commissioner and Councillor, International Commission on Zoological
>> Nomenclature
>> > Department of Zoology
>> > Denver Museum of Nature & Science
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>> > Bugs: They’re bigger, they’re better, they’re buggier than ever! It’s
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>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of George
>> Beccaloni via Taxacom
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 5:11 AM
>> > To: Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
>> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: Removals of offending scientific names
>> >
>> > Names are just labels - there is no need to understand them. IMHO they
>> > should be unchanging, and the nerdy, elitist requirements of the Code
>> > relating to gender agreement should be scrapped as they make tracking
>> names
>> > difficult in our modern computerised world.
>> >
>> > George
>> >
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>> > *Director, Alfred Russel Wallace Correspondence Project*
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>> > On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 at 11:58, Michael Heads via Taxacom <
>> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Abba is a good name for a genus - short, memorable...  I'm grateful
>> that
>> >> the 19th century taxonomists who named most of the genera in many
>> groups
>> >> *didn't* use the names of contemporary pop groups, pet politicians and
>> >> other cultural ephemera. If they had, the names would now be
>> >> meaningless, and we instead we can write with future users in mind. But
>> >> preferences like this should not be law!
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>> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>>
>> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>>
>> US Post Office Address:
>> Montana Entomology Collection
>> Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> PO Box 173145
>> Montana State University
>> Bozeman, MT 59717
>> USA
>>
>> UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
>> Montana Entomology Collection
>> Marsh Labs, Room 50
>> 1911 West Lincoln Street
>> Montana State University
>> Bozeman, MT 59718
>> USA
>>
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> __________________________________________________
>
> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>
> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>
> US Post Office Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> PO Box 173145
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59717
> USA
>
> UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> 1911 West Lincoln Street
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59718
> USA
>
>
> (406) 994-4610 (voice)
> (406) 994-6029 (FAX)mivie at montana.edu
>
>