Taxacom: Subspecies turns out to be valid species

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Thank you all for the clarifications! They were very helpful.

Jan

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> Op 12 jun. 2023 om 00:17 heeft Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> het volgende geschreven:
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>  Mycology uses the Botanical Code. The organisms may be distinct (except for lichens!), but the nomenclature (which is what we were talking about) is the same.
> Cheers, Stephen
>    On Monday, 12 June 2023 at 10:02:41 am NZST, Paul Kirk <p.kirk at kew.org> wrote:  
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> #yiv5395687859 .yiv5395687859style1 {font-family:New;}We use this form of the name in Mycology ... a Kingdom quite distinct from the green things called Plants and a close relative of the Animals - just adding a bit of clarity ...
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> Live long and prosper 😉 ... Paul
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> One further minor point is that Aus bus subsp. cus is really only used in botany, though unfortunately GBIF uses it across the board. In zoology, it is just Aus bus cus.
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> Cheers, Stephen
> On Monday, 12 June 2023 at 09:37:07 am NZST, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
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> Just adding some clarity to this, as it is a bit of a worry that basic nomenclature seems to be widely poorly understood. The taxon in question is not "undescribed", it is currently just given the rank of subspecies. The crucial point that I want to make clear, though, is that if it is given full species rank, the authorship remains the same as when considered a subspecies, i.e. Steatoda concolor (di Caporiacco, 1933) Cheers, Stephen
> On Sunday, 11 June 2023 at 10:24:16 pm NZST, Francisco Welter-Schultes via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
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> Dear Jan,
> Steatoda concolor would be the correct name in such a case.
> 
> If this helps.
> 
> Best wishes
> Francisco
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>> Am 11.06.2023 um 12:18 schrieb Jan Bosselaers via Taxacom:
>> Dear all,
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>> My coauthor in an ongoing research project found out that Steatoda triangulosa subsp. concolor (di Caporiacco, 1933) is not a subspecies of S. triangulosa, but an as yet undescibed, different species of Steatoda. The type specimen of S. triangulosa concolor is a subadult female, but comparison with newly collected adult material of that undescribed species makes this very clear. My question: should the new species be named Steatoda concolor then?
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>> Jan Bosselaers
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