Taxacom: building such a bridge (between DNA sequence and name) - was Minimalist revision of Mesochorus

Thu Aug 31 14:37:45 CDT 2023

Oh, and one more thing, in the USA, at least some tribes are requiring 
the same DNA agreements to collect on reservation and tribal lands.

Mike

On 8/31/2023 1:35 PM, Michael A. Ivie via Taxacom wrote:
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> Throwing another spanner in the cogs: Nagoya!  The Sharkey paper was all
> Costa Rica, and they had full permits to use DNA from those specimens in
> a legal way.  While the intent of Nagoya was about economic benefits,
> the wording and application that I have so far had on a
> country-by-country basis is that ANY extraction, amplification,
> sequencing and publication requires special explicit permission in
> addition to a collecting and export permit for museum specimens. What
> about a specimen that was collected legally, but the export permit did
> not include the right to extract and publish DNA?  Or, a specimen that
> was perhaps not even legally collected?  At this time, the legality of
> the specimen is not included in the Code, and doing so would be a
> nightmare, but requiring a sequence would place people in the possible
> situation of becoming a criminal.
>
> Mike
>
> On 8/31/2023 11:51 AM, Richard Pyle via Taxacom wrote:
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>> Thanks, Derek.
>>
>> This is the conundrum:  What happens when a DNA sequence, taken from 
>> a non-type specimen, is somehow formally/officially attached to the 
>> name, and then someone later declares that the two different 
>> specimens (the name-bearing type, and the specimen from which the DNA 
>> was extracted) are members of different species?
>>
>> An analogy in the Code is when there are Syntypes, and someone 
>> decides that the syntype series includes representatives of more than 
>> one species.  In such cases, a lectotype is selected from among the 
>> original syntype series, and the others become non-name-bearing 
>> paralectotypes.
>>
>> I imagine in such a situation with an "official" link between a 
>> non-type DNA sequence and a name where someone declares that they 
>> represent different taxa, the name remains linked to the original 
>> type specimen. In such cases, I would imagine a process for replacing 
>> the "official" DNA sequence with a "neo" DNA sequence.
>>
>> Bear in mind, this is a very tenuous proposal (to establish an 
>> official "genetic type" thing in the Code), and I seriously doubt it 
>> could be crafted with sufficient support for inclusion in Code 5, but 
>> it's not impossible (maybe Code-6?)  But I think that, given the 
>> direction things are going, there may indeed come a time when the 
>> broader taxonomic community will want some sort of formal link 
>> between a name and a DNA sequence.  Maybe not something as anemic as 
>> a barcode, but perhaps in a not-too-distant future where whole-genome 
>> sequences are commonplace, there could be real value in a provision 
>> of this sort.
>>
>> Aloha,
>> Rich
>>
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