Taxacom: open access journals

[John Grehan]

"When responding to a message, please do not copy the entire digest
into your reply." - In my case, wish that I could, but have not been able
to find a way for gmail on my computer to do that, even with some others
trying to assist to find a way. It's a pain in the neck.

John Grehan

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:26 PM Leslie Watling via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

> Hi Taxacomers,
> First thing... almost no one seems to pay attention to this notice at the
> beginning of the daily Taxacom digest:
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> When responding to a message, please do not copy the entire digest into
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> Thus the daily digest is often too long for my gmail account to not cut it
> off and send me off to some other page to finish reading it. Besides the
> endless bloody scrolling it takes to go through everybody's this and that
> that they stack in their address block at the end of their email message.
>
> Second, on the matter of OA journals. Some interesting comments here for
> sure, but I have to say, having been in this academic publishing business
> now for more than 50 years, that sometimes the older solution is still the
> best one. Granted, the landscape has changed unfortunately with various
> consolidations in the publishing business.
>
> In the old days we published wherever we could get our paper accepted. It
> was almost always behind a paywall. The solution was to see the journal in
> the university library, and failing that, to get the author's address from
> an abstracting service cand send them a little postcard requesting a copy
> (reprint, it was called) of the paper. A few weeks later the paper would
> arrive in the mail. Science went on, perhaps a little more slowly than now,
> but I kind of doubt it. There was also a certain amount of pride in
> receiving a very large number of postcards with stamps from everywhere
> requesting one's own paper.
>
> I have so far never, and I expect to end my career, with never having paid
> OA charges. There are still many good journals that one can publish in
> without paying anything. I do my due diligence with respect to reviewing,
> have been an editor, and all that, but I figure that OA is just robbery
> from gullible academics and their institutions. Of course, publishing costs
> money and someone has to pay for it. But with editing and reviewing being
> done for free by our colleagues, I can see no reason for paying exorbitant
> publication charges.
>
> As for the paywall model, well, with the internet and pdf, and now with
> ResearchGate, etc., any paper can be had, and relatively fast, by sending a
> note to the author (the equivalent of sending a postcard) asking for a pdf.
> Failing all that, my university, at least, has a fabulous interlibrary loan
> service which will also deliver papers in the form of pdf from institutions
> that do have a subscription to the journal I might be interested in. So, as
> far as I can see there is no way I can NOT get a copy of something I think
> I might need.
>
> All the best,
> Les
>
>
> Les Watling
> Professor Emeritus
> School of Life Sciences
> University of Hawaii
>
> Professor Emeritus
> School of Marine Sciences
> University of Maine
>
>
>
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: open access journals (Torbj?rn Tyler)
> >    2. open access journals (Rudy Jocqu?)
> >    3. Re: open access journals (Jean Mariaux)
> >    4. Re: open access journals (markcost at gmail.com)
> >    5. Re: open access journals (Stephen Thorpe)
> >    6. Re: open access journals (Andrew Whittington)
> >    7. Re: open access journals (Martin Wiemers)
> >    8. Re: open access journals (Ross Mounce)
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 18:03:45 +0000
> > From: Torbj?rn Tyler <torbjorn.tyler at biol.lu.se>
> > To: Martin Wiemers <martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de>
> > Cc: "taxacom at lists.ku.edu" <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: open access journals
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> > Martin,
> >
> > With this I fully agree and it is exactly what most societies publishing
> > journals already do today (including Nordic Journal of Botany for which I
> > am editor-in-chief; Owned by the Nordic Society Oikos but published by
> > Wiley). Indeed, as you say, larger institutions may do the same,
> although I
> > don?t think there are that many institutions with a taxonomic/systematic
> > focus that are large enough to take on all duties involved in publishing
> an
> > international, high-standard scientific journal.
> >
> > :) Torbj?rn
> >
> > 2 aug. 2023 kl. 18:56 skrev Martin Wiemers via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>>:
> >
> > Dear Torbj?rn & all,
> >
> > in my view there IS a way out of the dilemma in an OA scenario, if more
> > scientific institutions (respectively their libraries) would take over
> the
> > task of publishing scientific journals. In case they do not have the
> > publishing capacity, they could ask publishers to do so using the money
> > saved from subscriptions - BUT they could switch publishers if they
> > overcharge, because they keep the control.
> >
> > In this way the quasi-monopoly of the big publishers could be broken and
> > reasonable publishing costs be ensured. This model is already
> successfully
> > used e.g. by the Berlin Natural History Museum for its journals
> > "Zoosystematics and Evolution (ZE)" and "Deutsche Entomologische
> > Zeitschrift (DEZ)", by LIB's "Evolutionary Systematics (ES)" and by
> > Senckenberg for "Arthropod Systematics and Phylogeny (ASP)" (for which I
> am
> > a co-editor) and most recently our own institute's journal "Contributions
> > to Entomology (CE)". Notably these journals are published by Pensoft
> which
> > is charging reasonable fees also for its own journals.
> >
> > The rising number of articles in those journals and also their rising
> > impact factors (2.354 now for ASP; 2.29 for ZE) is evidence for the
> success
> > of this model which enables free-of-charge publishing for all authors
> > irrespective of their affiliations and country of origin (although there
> > might be quotas for free publishing due to budget limitations as e.g. in
> > ES, where the 2023 quota has already expired).
> >
> > In combination with society journals this model would be the perfect
> > solution and it is also up to our community to support such journals as
> > authors, reviewers or editors.
> >
> > With hope for a brighter OA future,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Martin Wiemers
> > Head of Ecology & temporary Curator of Lepidoptera
> > Senckenberg Deutsches Entomologisches Institut
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> > Germany
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> > Fax +49 3212 6968883
> > e-mail: martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de<mailto:
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> > >
> > skype: martin.wiemers1
> >
> >
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> >
> > Am 02.08.2023 um 08:17 schrieb Torbj?rn Tyler via Taxacom:
> > Stephen,
> >
> > OK, then I understand your concerns, but in my case the OA fees are also
> > payed collectively from the ?overhead?. In fact I think it is all handled
> > by my university library so it isn?t much different from how subscription
> > fees used to be (and still are in some cases) payed. Isn?t that normal
> for
> > those institutions and countries that have ?OA licensing agreements? with
> > the major scientific publishers?
> >
> > Now most institutions in the developed world are indeed covered by such
> > agreements with e.g. Wiley, Springer and Elsevier, implying that OA fees
> > are not payed for individual published papers or by individual authors
> but
> > for the collective output from the whole department, institution or
> country.
> >
> > The remaining problem is those reserachers that work at institutions and
> > in countries that cannot afford to pay for such agreements, but these are
> > probably mostly the same as those who could not afford to pay for
> > subscriptions in the past. For them there has been a change from not
> being
> > able to read their own and their colleagues publications to not being
> able
> > to publish themselves. Same, but different? Even worse for those, still
> > quite many, advanced amateur taxonomists that are not formally employed
> at
> > any research institution!
> >
> > To be honest, in my opinion OA publishing hasn?t really changed much. The
> > problems with high costs and that ?publication services" are not
> available
> > for everyone still remain, although now on a different basis. However, I
> > cannot see any solution to this since high-quality ?publication services?
> > will always be costly, someone has to pay these costs and nobody will
> > volonteerely pay for those who cannot pay themselves? (I am aware of that
> > the major publishers now offers various OA fee waivers for authors from
> > developing countries, but I am afraid these will never change much in
> > practice.)
> >
> > / Torbj?rn
> >
> > 2 aug. 2023 kl. 00:19 skrev Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> > <mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>:
> >
> > Torbj?rn,
> >
> > By "research funding", I was referring to the 50% of an external grant
> > that is left over after the institution has claimed the "overheads".
> Money
> > for subscriptions comes out of the "overheads", by my understanding. OA
> > fees, by contrast, come out of the research funding. That money would
> > otherwise have been spent on research, rather than on publishing fees.
> >
> > Institutions still claim the 50% in "overheads", by my understanding. OA
> > hasn't changed that. In fact, they still buy subscriptions, as far as I
> can
> > tell, though that doesn't really matter, since they can do what they like
> > with the "overheads". The point is that publishing costs are now
> subtracted
> > from the research funding half of an external grant. It just seems a bit
> of
> > a mystery who exactly benefits from this (other than OA publishers)!
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 10:51:26 pm NZST, Torbj?rn Tyler <
> > torbjorn.tyler at biol.lu.se<mailto:torbjorn.tyler at biol.lu.se>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So, from where in your opinion did that money come that used to pay for
> > journal subscriptions if it did not come from research funding?
> >
> > I know that may differ between countries and institutions, but in general
> > I believe subscriptions to scientific journals have always in one way or
> > another been payed  from research budgets and in my world (Sweden, Lund
> > University) ca 50% of all ?external? fundings that individual researchers
> > obtain are payed as tax (?overhead?) to finance e.g. libraries and their
> > journal subscription (among many other functions that are needed by all
> > researchers alike and together).
> >
> > I don?t think it should have come as a surprise for anyone that a change
> > from a reader-pay model to an author-pay model would not in itself reduce
> > the total costs of publication and distribution of scientific texts. All
> > costs associated with it, including editorial handling, scientific
> > reviewing, checking for lingusitic errors and plagiarism etc, handling of
> > copyright agreements and other legal and financial matters, copyediting,
> > typesetting, distribution, advertising and archiving (in case of
> electronic
> > publications), plus any economic revenue wanted by the owner of the
> > journals, does remain the same no matter who pays for it! These costs are
> > real and have to be payed by someone to keep quality and safety in the
> > publishing process, unless someone volunteerely undertakes these duties
> for
> > free but when researchers do things volunteerely it usually also implies
> a
> > cost for the ?reasearch budget? since it usually means that they are
> > performing these duties on times when they are actually
> >   payed for doing research or teaching? The only costs that may not be
> > cosnidered ?real? are the revenues taken by commercial companies owning
> > journals, but these we can all avoid by choosing journals owned by
> > scientific societies and other non-profit organisations. However, the
> costs
> > for publishing in journals owned by such non-profit organisations are
> > commonly at (almost) the same level as for journals with commersial
> owners,
> > suggesting that the profit taken by the latter may not be that huge
> anyway.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Torbj?rn TYler
> >
> > 1 aug. 2023 kl. 11:41 skrev Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>>:
> >
> > Lyubo,
> > Realistically, no matter how noble an original vision, the implementation
> > is what matters. I'm not entirely convinced that OA was in any shape or
> > form a noble original vision, but let's put that aside and focus on the
> > implementation:
> > Before OA, articles were published for free, but readers had to pay to
> > read them. One of the problems was that institutions ended up paying
> > publishers big money for subscriptions. That money did not however come
> out
> > of research funding. Nevertheless, publishers like Elsevier were making
> > vast profits. Few institutions bought subscriptions to obscure journals,
> so
> > most readers had to rely on contacts to get hold of those, but it worked
> > because relatively rew readers wanted to read articles from obscure
> > journals. The community just handed around photocopies.
> > Today, institutions still have to pay big subscriptions AND authors have
> > to pay the publisher big money (for high impact journals) to get the
> > articles published. This money does come out of research funding. The
> only
> > difference is that now anyone can read the articles freely online. But
> for
> > low interest articles, the OA fees are set too high. Given that most
> > scientific articles (particularly in taxonomy) are low interest, the
> > combined OA fees for all of them represents a significant chunk of
> research
> > funding. Sure, some journals aren't very high impact and so charge lower
> OA
> > fees, but they also tend to publish very prolifically, so the combined OA
> > fees are still significant.
> > It is just very hard to see exactly who benefits from this and how.
> Poorer
> > countries, whose libraries cannot afford subscriptions, benefit from free
> > reads of OA articles, but they also want to publish articles and also
> have
> > less research funding to play with, so they won't want to publish OA.
> Maybe
> > they can benefit from richer countries publishing OA, gaining free access
> > to articles published in those richer countries. However, at least in
> > taxonomy, it is unclear to what extent taxonomists in poorer countries
> need
> > or benefit from free access to articles published in richer countries?
> > Besides, this must be balanced by the reduction in research funding in
> the
> > richer countries, due to them having to pay high OA fees. The cost
> benefit
> > analysis is complex and, I think, largely unknown. The only thing that is
> > clear is that publishers benefit from OA, particularly publishers of high
> > impact journals and particularly while it is still necessary to buy
> > subscriptions because not everything is O
> >  A and one also has the added complication of pre-OA literature which is
> > still hidden behind paywalls.
> > Institutions using external funding also benefit from strategic spending
> > on OA fees. This can add to their corporate profits, but only at the cost
> > of eating up funding that could otherwise have been used on doing
> research.
> > In summary, it is clear that publishers and corporate research
> > institutions benefit financially from OA, but very unclear who else
> > benefits and how.
> > Cheers, Stephen
> >    On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 08:57:24 pm NZST, Lyubomir Penev <
> > lyubo.penev at gmail.com<mailto:lyubo.penev at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Stephen,
> > No offense at all, but I really try to separate the meaning and mission
> of
> > the open access model from its various (mis)interpretations and
> (mis)uses.
> > The increasing number of articles is not due to the appearance of open
> > access as a model. It is not the publishers - you say they like to
> publish
> > more and earn more (electric companies also like to do that by expanding
> > their networks and volumes) - who are the reason for the ever growing
> > number of articles. It is the scholarly evaluation system that forces
> > researchers to publish more and more in "high" impact journals.
> Publishers
> > use that to "sell" the "high" impact to researchers through their
> journals,
> > independently of that are these open access, subscription-based or of
> > various mixed models currently in place.
> > You can't blame publishers for doing business just as you can't blame
> your
> > local shop for doing business through delivering goods to you. The
> > greediness in business, however, should be blamed, I agree.
> > As said, the best solution is the gold open access model supported by
> > institutions, societies or sponsors. The model is normally limited in
> > volume per year, because the institutions cannot budget unpredictably and
> > exponentially growing numbers of articles. As an example, more than half
> of
> > the some 30 biodiversity journals in our own portfolio are free to read
> and
> > free to publish. What bad in that the authors to have the choice where to
> > publish?
> > Best,Lyubo
> >
> > -----Lyubomir Penev
> > ORCID:
> >
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> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 11:15?AM Stephen Thorpe <
> stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> > <mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lyubo,Open Access is a big can of worms. You can claim that it makes
> > scientific outputs more accessible to readers and indeed it does, but
> that
> > just hides the "dark side". The main problem is that the vast majority of
> > published scientific articles are of little or no relevance to most
> > readers, but, collectively, there are a vast number of such low interest
> > articles, so much that the combined OA fees subtract significantly from
> > available research funding. Therefore, in actual fact, the general reader
> > just gets free access to a vast number of articles that hardly anybody
> has
> > any reason to read and the cost is less funding for actual research. The
> > few readers who do have reason to read the average low interest paper
> can,
> > most of the time, read them anyway via institutional subscriptions,
> > subscriptions which have not been abandoned in the OA era (partly because
> > OA is patchy rather than universal). So, many millions of dollars of
> > research funding is being diverted to making low interes
> >  t articles freely readable to a mere handful of potential readers! Sound
> > like a good idea to you? Probably does, because you, as a publisher, get
> > guaranteed revenue from each article published, even if nobody at all
> wants
> > to read it! Hence, I have to doubt whether your views on the subject of
> OA
> > can plausibly be taken as being unbiased! No offence intended, I'm just
> > saying it as it is!Cheers, Stephen
> >    On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 07:57:10 pm NZST, Lyubomir Penev <
> > lyubo.penev at gmail.com<mailto:lyubo.penev at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Calling open access "Scam" sounds to me like blaming a religious system,
> > sincerely preaching equality and love between people, for the actions of
> > its followers, for example in politics (e.g. religious wars) or business
> > (e.g. services around pilgrimage). The story of Journal of Biogeography
> > isn't a rant against open access as a model but against excessive article
> > processing charges and monopolization (or oligopolization) of the model.
> > It is about inequality and double standards in human societies, not about
> > the publishing model itself.
> > So far I am aware about cases of boycotting high APC-based open access
> > journals, however I've never heard about boycotting (=not reading, not
> > citing) open access papers, even those published in most expensive
> > journals. It is fully understandable that authors do not like to be
> charged
> > for publishing, but I think they also do not like to be charged for, say,
> > EURO 38.95 to access a paper published some 20 years ago.
> > Open access was intended to provide equal access to scientific
> information
> > to all and it did that. The price of it was to create the opposite source
> > of inequality between people who can pay the APC and those who can't.
> > The solution is probably to be found somewhere in-between as it often
> > happens: a co-existence of various publishing models for the authors and
> > communities to choose from and support to free-to-read-free-to-publish
> open
> > access (meaning paid by institutions, societies or third parties) or low
> > cost open access based on affordable and fair APCs.
> > Best regards,Lyubomir
> > -----Lyubomir Penev
> > ORCID:
> >
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> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:54?AM John Grehan via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > "  can't believe it has taken you guys so long to react to the Open
> Access
> > Scam" Stephen - who are 'you guys'? I am not aware of anyone having their
> > head in the sand over this issue.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 6:35?PM Stephen Thorpe <
> stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> > <mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can't believe it has taken you guys so long to react to the Open Access
> > Scam, which I have posted about here on Taxacom for years! There are two
> > main factors involved. You have touched on the one to do with impact
> > factor. Trying to include taxonomy into the broad area of impact factor
> > metrics is entirely inappropriate. It leads to all sorts of problems,
> such
> > as naming species after celebrities so as to generate publicity. The
> > reality is that very few readers will be immediately interested in any
> one
> > taxonomic article, but it is nevertheless a very valuable part of a much
> > larger whole. You can build a very interesting house out of bricks,
> despite
> > the fact that each individual brick is of low interest to anyone!
> >
> > The other factor with Open Access is to do with the strategic spending of
> > external funding, by corporate research entities. Remember that they are
> > spending other people's money, if it is external funding and the
> economics
> > of spending other people's money is very different to the economics of
> > spending one's own money. I can elaborate if anyone is interested.
> >
> > Stephen
> > On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 09:19:34 am NZST, John Grehan via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I will back up Lynn's comments, especially with respect to ZooNova
> > (excellent outlet). I have also seen how 'newsletters' of some
> > organizations (NZ Ent Soc, Lepidopterist Society) generate 'publications'
> > that are just as good as any commercial product, and yet cost author's
> > nothing. Sadly, I have at least one colleague with whom I collaborate ask
> > that we publish co-authored papers in journals with 'high' indices
> because
> > that is required of the 'employer' to help keep their job. It's a racket
> > for sure.
> >
> > John Grehan
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 4:52?PM Lynn Raw via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> > <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > In the article they say that quality publishing is expensive. That is
> > only
> > the case with paper publishing. Open Access is by its very nature an
> > online
> > only digital format far less expensive to provide than the older print
> > journals and with no extra costs for colour. It seems the whole process
> > of
> > using citation and other indices rather than the actual quality of the
> > content is a commercial profit driven hoax promoted by the publishers for
> > the benefit of their executives and shareholders. It also gives
> > university
> > administrators numbers that they can understand whether or not they have
> > any idea of the content. Even the highly esteemed Nature sometimes
> > publishes suspect papers. Open access is the ideal low cost publishing
> > system for societies as the only cost lies in the website maintenance and
> > development, web server operation and maintenance of the domain
> > registration.
> > At the moment I am running a small scale OA journal at NO COST to the
> > authors so the model can operate with the right support and volunteers
> > whatever argument is given against it. Obviously it is not a commercial
> > for
> > profit model but it is something that can meet a need for both authors
> > and
> > users of scientific articles.
> >
> > Lynn Raw
> > Independent Researcher & Editor
> >
> >
> >
> > On 31 Jul 2023, at 21.15, Michael Heads via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > I've criticised the new 'Open Access' publishing model for journals as
> > a
> > scam, and here's a new article in J. Biogeogr. against it (note that it
> > doesn't mention publishing scientists who are amateur or retired):
> >
> >
> >
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> > 'Shifts to open access with high article processing charges hinder
> > research
> > equity and careers'
> >
> > --
> > Dunedin, New Zealand.
> >
> > My books:
> >
> > *Biogeography and evolution in New Zealand. *Taylor and Francis/CRC,
> > Boca
> > Raton FL. 2017.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > *Biogeography of Australasia:  A molecular analysis*. Cambridge
> > University
> > Press, Cambridge. 2014.
> >
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> >
> >
> > *Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. *University of California
> > Press,
> > Berkeley. 2012.
> >
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> >
> >
> > *Panbiogeography: Tracking the history of life*. Oxford University
> > Press,
> > New York. 1999. (With R. Craw and J. Grehan).
> >
> >
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> >
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> > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration for
> > about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Torbj?rn Tyler, Ph.D,
> >
> > ? Curator at herbarium LD.
> > ? Editor in Chief of Nordic Journal of Botany.
> >
> > ? Responsible for the project The Hieracia of Sweden.
> >
> > Postal address:
> > Botanical Museum
> > Box 117
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 18:34:20 +0000
> > From: Rudy Jocqu? <rudy.jocque at africamuseum.be>
> > To: "taxacom at lists.ku.edu" <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Subject: Taxacom: open access journals
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> AM9P195MB104532F004BDBA2A38E05181E80BA at AM9P195MB1045.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> >
> > Isn't EJT (European Journal of Taxonomy) a nice example? Supported by a
> > consortium of European musea and institutes; in agreement with CETAF.
> With
> > a reasonable IF  (1.2) and fully open access. Surprising nobody had the
> > idea to mention it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > >
> > European Journal of Taxonomy is an open access peer-reviewed journal
> > publishing zoology, botany, entomology and palaeontology papers
> > europeanjournaloftaxonomy.eu
> > ?
> >
> >
> > Rudy Jocqu?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:44:59 +0200
> > From: Jean Mariaux <mariauxj at gmail.com>
> > To: Rudy Jocqu? <rudy.jocque at africamuseum.be>
> > Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: open access journals
> > Message-ID: <8AD82FEB-0C29-442A-A4E5-6946CC1E24CE at gmail.com>
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> > Indeed and this is surprising!
> > EJT is the best example of free, high quality journal I know. A beautiful
> > model.
> > I may add that the editorial process, as I have experienced it, is
> > remarkably efficient (and that I don?t care the least about its IF)
> > J.
> >
> > Envoy? de mon iPhone
> >
> > > Le 2 ao?t 2023 ? 20:35, Rudy Jocqu? via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > a ?crit :
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Isn't EJT (European Journal of Taxonomy) a nice example? Supported by a
> > consortium of European musea and institutes; in agreement with CETAF.
> With
> > a reasonable IF  (1.2) and fully open access. Surprising nobody had the
> > idea to mention it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > > European Journal of Taxonomy is an open access peer-reviewed journal
> > publishing zoology, botany, entomology and palaeontology papers
> > > europeanjournaloftaxonomy.eu
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> > > Rudy Jocqu?
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 23:00:27 +0200
> > From: <markcost at gmail.com>
> > To: "'Jean Mariaux'" <mariauxj at gmail.com>, 'Rudy Jocqu?'
> >         <rudy.jocque at africamuseum.be>
> > Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: open access journals
> > Message-ID: <008b01d9c584$5d859210$1890b630$@gmail.com>
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> >
> > Hi all
> > I started a list of journals which are free to authors and readers here:
> >
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> > Let me know of any I should add or if some are no longer so free.
> > Best regards
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Jean Mariaux
> > via Taxacom
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 8:45 PM
> > To: Rudy Jocqu? <rudy.jocque at africamuseum.be>
> > Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: open access journals
> >
> > Indeed and this is surprising!
> > EJT is the best example of free, high quality journal I know. A beautiful
> > model.
> > I may add that the editorial process, as I have experienced it, is
> > remarkably efficient (and that I don?t care the least about its IF) J.
> >
> > Envoy? de mon iPhone
> >
> > > Le 2 ao?t 2023 ? 20:35, Rudy Jocqu? via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > a ?crit :
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Isn't EJT (European Journal of Taxonomy) a nice example? Supported by a
> > consortium of European musea and institutes; in agreement with CETAF.
> With
> > a reasonable IF  (1.2) and fully open access. Surprising nobody had the
> > idea to mention it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > > European Journal of Taxonomy is an open access peer-reviewed journal
> > > publishing zoology, botany, entomology and palaeontology papers
> > > europeanjournaloftaxonomy.eu ?
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> > > Rudy Jocqu?
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 21:51:50 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> > To: Martin Wiemers <martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de>,  Torbj?rn Tyler
> >         <torbjorn.tyler at biol.lu.se>
> > Cc: "taxacom at lists.ku.edu" <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: open access journals
> > Message-ID: <1286306628.1313187.1691013110201 at mail.yahoo.com>
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> >
> >  Martin,
> > A problem with your suggestion is that there is nothing in it for
> > universities (or similar big institutions). You suggest that they could
> > spend the money they save on subscriptions on publishing in house, or
> > contracting suitably cheap external publishers. Well, it is actually very
> > unclear if they are saving much on subscriptions. A lot of older
> literature
> > is still paywalled. Furthermore, if they are making savings, they can
> > currently spend those savings however they see fit. Your suggestion that
> > they should spend the savings on OA publishing doesn't have any obvious
> > benefits for such institutions.
> > The bigger problem is that universities and the like still seem to use
> > metrics which encourage publication in more expensive journals. I'm not
> > sure that a suggestion by you, or even by a significant global body of
> > scientists, is going to have much hope of changing the way that
> > universities are ranked globally. The ranking system is sensitive to
> things
> > like impact factors. The rank of a university translates into profits
> > (apparently Chinese students in particular, who pay very high fees to
> > attend Western universities, are particularly alert to the rankings).
> > Universities are all in competition to attract overseas students. I
> recall
> > an end of year function speech by the late Stuart McCutcheon, former
> > Vice-Chancellor of the University of Auckland. He said that enrolments
> were
> > up and everything was looking really good for next year. As almost an
> > afterthought, he added that domestic enrolments were down a little bit,
> > "but that doesn't matter"!
> > The problem isn't so much a lack of low cost alternatives for publishing
> > OA. The problem is the existence of high cost alternatives. These act as
> > strategic money sinks. After all, the big publishers are selling access,
> > and not cheaply, to many older single articles, no longer in copyright,
> > that are available freely elsewhere, such as on Biodiversity Heritage
> > Library! I'm sure that if a researcher puts down a receipt for a thousand
> > dollars, or whatever, spent on paywalled literature, nobody is going to
> > check if the literature was available freely elsewhere!
> > Stephen
> >     On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 06:04:11 am NZST, Torbj?rn Tyler via
> > Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> >  Martin,
> >
> > With this I fully agree and it is exactly what most societies publishing
> > journals already do today (including Nordic Journal of Botany for which I
> > am editor-in-chief; Owned by the Nordic Society Oikos but published by
> > Wiley). Indeed, as you say, larger institutions may do the same,
> although I
> > don?t think there are that many institutions with a taxonomic/systematic
> > focus that are large enough to take on all duties involved in publishing
> an
> > international, high-standard scientific journal.
> >
> > :) Torbj?rn
> >
> > 2 aug. 2023 kl. 18:56 skrev Martin Wiemers via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>>:
> >
> > Dear Torbj?rn & all,
> >
> > in my view there IS a way out of the dilemma in an OA scenario, if more
> > scientific institutions (respectively their libraries) would take over
> the
> > task of publishing scientific journals. In case they do not have the
> > publishing capacity, they could ask publishers to do so using the money
> > saved from subscriptions - BUT they could switch publishers if they
> > overcharge, because they keep the control.
> >
> > In this way the quasi-monopoly of the big publishers could be broken and
> > reasonable publishing costs be ensured. This model is already
> successfully
> > used e.g. by the Berlin Natural History Museum for its journals
> > "Zoosystematics and Evolution (ZE)" and "Deutsche Entomologische
> > Zeitschrift (DEZ)", by LIB's "Evolutionary Systematics (ES)" and by
> > Senckenberg for "Arthropod Systematics and Phylogeny (ASP)" (for which I
> am
> > a co-editor) and most recently our own institute's journal "Contributions
> > to Entomology (CE)". Notably these journals are published by Pensoft
> which
> > is charging reasonable fees also for its own journals.
> >
> > The rising number of articles in those journals and also their rising
> > impact factors (2.354 now for ASP; 2.29 for ZE) is evidence for the
> success
> > of this model which enables free-of-charge publishing for all authors
> > irrespective of their affiliations and country of origin (although there
> > might be quotas for free publishing due to budget limitations as e.g. in
> > ES, where the 2023 quota has already expired).
> >
> > In combination with society journals this model would be the perfect
> > solution and it is also up to our community to support such journals as
> > authors, reviewers or editors.
> >
> > With hope for a brighter OA future,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Martin Wiemers
> > Head of Ecology & temporary Curator of Lepidoptera
> > Senckenberg Deutsches Entomologisches Institut
> > Eberswalder Str. 90
> > 15374 M?ncheberg
> > Germany
> > Tel. +49 33432 73698-3740
> > Mobile +49 1578 5401271
> > Fax +49 3212 6968883
> > e-mail: martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de<mailto:
> martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de
> > >
> > skype: martin.wiemers1
> >
> >
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> >
> > Am 02.08.2023 um 08:17 schrieb Torbj?rn Tyler via Taxacom:
> > Stephen,
> >
> > OK, then I understand your concerns, but in my case the OA fees are also
> > payed collectively from the ?overhead?. In fact I think it is all handled
> > by my university library so it isn?t much different from how subscription
> > fees used to be (and still are in some cases) payed. Isn?t that normal
> for
> > those institutions and countries that have ?OA licensing agreements? with
> > the major scientific publishers?
> >
> > Now most institutions in the developed world are indeed covered by such
> > agreements with e.g. Wiley, Springer and Elsevier, implying that OA fees
> > are not payed for individual published papers or by individual authors
> but
> > for the collective output from the whole department, institution or
> country.
> >
> > The remaining problem is those reserachers that work at institutions and
> > in countries that cannot afford to pay for such agreements, but these are
> > probably mostly the same as those who could not afford to pay for
> > subscriptions in the past. For them there has been a change from not
> being
> > able to read their own and their colleagues publications to not being
> able
> > to publish themselves. Same, but different? Even worse for those, still
> > quite many, advanced amateur taxonomists that are not formally employed
> at
> > any research institution!
> >
> > To be honest, in my opinion OA publishing hasn?t really changed much. The
> > problems with high costs and that ?publication services" are not
> available
> > for everyone still remain, although now on a different basis. However, I
> > cannot see any solution to this since high-quality ?publication services?
> > will always be costly, someone has to pay these costs and nobody will
> > volonteerely pay for those who cannot pay themselves? (I am aware of that
> > the major publishers now offers various OA fee waivers for authors from
> > developing countries, but I am afraid these will never change much in
> > practice.)
> >
> > / Torbj?rn
> >
> > 2 aug. 2023 kl. 00:19 skrev Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> > <mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>:
> >
> > Torbj?rn,
> >
> > By "research funding", I was referring to the 50% of an external grant
> > that is left over after the institution has claimed the "overheads".
> Money
> > for subscriptions comes out of the "overheads", by my understanding. OA
> > fees, by contrast, come out of the research funding. That money would
> > otherwise have been spent on research, rather than on publishing fees.
> >
> > Institutions still claim the 50% in "overheads", by my understanding. OA
> > hasn't changed that. In fact, they still buy subscriptions, as far as I
> can
> > tell, though that doesn't really matter, since they can do what they like
> > with the "overheads". The point is that publishing costs are now
> subtracted
> > from the research funding half of an external grant. It just seems a bit
> of
> > a mystery who exactly benefits from this (other than OA publishers)!
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 10:51:26 pm NZST, Torbj?rn Tyler <
> > torbjorn.tyler at biol.lu.se<mailto:torbjorn.tyler at biol.lu.se>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So, from where in your opinion did that money come that used to pay for
> > journal subscriptions if it did not come from research funding?
> >
> > I know that may differ between countries and institutions, but in general
> > I believe subscriptions to scientific journals have always in one way or
> > another been payed? from research budgets and in my world (Sweden, Lund
> > University) ca 50% of all ?external? fundings that individual researchers
> > obtain are payed as tax (?overhead?) to finance e.g. libraries and their
> > journal subscription (among many other functions that are needed by all
> > researchers alike and together).
> >
> > I don?t think it should have come as a surprise for anyone that a change
> > from a reader-pay model to an author-pay model would not in itself reduce
> > the total costs of publication and distribution of scientific texts. All
> > costs associated with it, including editorial handling, scientific
> > reviewing, checking for lingusitic errors and plagiarism etc, handling of
> > copyright agreements and other legal and financial matters, copyediting,
> > typesetting, distribution, advertising and archiving (in case of
> electronic
> > publications), plus any economic revenue wanted by the owner of the
> > journals, does remain the same no matter who pays for it! These costs are
> > real and have to be payed by someone to keep quality and safety in the
> > publishing process, unless someone volunteerely undertakes these duties
> for
> > free but when researchers do things volunteerely it usually also implies
> a
> > cost for the ?reasearch budget? since it usually means that they are
> > performing these duties on times when they are actually
> >   payed for doing research or teaching? The only costs that may not be
> > cosnidered ?real? are the revenues taken by commercial companies owning
> > journals, but these we can all avoid by choosing journals owned by
> > scientific societies and other non-profit organisations. However, the
> costs
> > for publishing in journals owned by such non-profit organisations are
> > commonly at (almost) the same level as for journals with commersial
> owners,
> > suggesting that the profit taken by the latter may not be that huge
> anyway.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Torbj?rn TYler
> >
> > 1 aug. 2023 kl. 11:41 skrev Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>>:
> >
> > Lyubo,
> > Realistically, no matter how noble an original vision, the implementation
> > is what matters. I'm not entirely convinced that OA was in any shape or
> > form a noble original vision, but let's put that aside and focus on the
> > implementation:
> > Before OA, articles were published for free, but readers had to pay to
> > read them. One of the problems was that institutions ended up paying
> > publishers big money for subscriptions. That money did not however come
> out
> > of research funding. Nevertheless, publishers like Elsevier were making
> > vast profits. Few institutions bought subscriptions to obscure journals,
> so
> > most readers had to rely on contacts to get hold of those, but it worked
> > because relatively rew readers wanted to read articles from obscure
> > journals. The community just handed around photocopies.
> > Today, institutions still have to pay big subscriptions AND authors have
> > to pay the publisher big money (for high impact journals) to get the
> > articles published. This money does come out of research funding. The
> only
> > difference is that now anyone can read the articles freely online. But
> for
> > low interest articles, the OA fees are set too high. Given that most
> > scientific articles (particularly in taxonomy) are low interest, the
> > combined OA fees for all of them represents a significant chunk of
> research
> > funding. Sure, some journals aren't very high impact and so charge lower
> OA
> > fees, but they also tend to publish very prolifically, so the combined OA
> > fees are still significant.
> > It is just very hard to see exactly who benefits from this and how.
> Poorer
> > countries, whose libraries cannot afford subscriptions, benefit from free
> > reads of OA articles, but they also want to publish articles and also
> have
> > less research funding to play with, so they won't want to publish OA.
> Maybe
> > they can benefit from richer countries publishing OA, gaining free access
> > to articles published in those richer countries. However, at least in
> > taxonomy, it is unclear to what extent taxonomists in poorer countries
> need
> > or benefit from free access to articles published in richer countries?
> > Besides, this must be balanced by the reduction in research funding in
> the
> > richer countries, due to them having to pay high OA fees. The cost
> benefit
> > analysis is complex and, I think, largely unknown. The only thing that is
> > clear is that publishers benefit from OA, particularly publishers of high
> > impact journals and particularly while it is still necessary to buy
> > subscriptions because not everything is O
> >  A and one also has the added complication of pre-OA literature which is
> > still hidden behind paywalls.
> > Institutions using external funding also benefit from strategic spending
> > on OA fees. This can add to their corporate profits, but only at the cost
> > of eating up funding that could otherwise have been used on doing
> research.
> > In summary, it is clear that publishers and corporate research
> > institutions benefit financially from OA, but very unclear who else
> > benefits and how.
> > Cheers, Stephen
> > ? On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 08:57:24 pm NZST, Lyubomir Penev <
> > lyubo.penev at gmail.com<mailto:lyubo.penev at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Stephen,
> > No offense at all, but I really try to separate the meaning and mission
> of
> > the open access model from its various (mis)interpretations and
> (mis)uses.
> > The increasing number of articles is not due to the appearance of open
> > access as a model. It is not the publishers - you say they like to
> publish
> > more and earn more (electric companies also like to do that by expanding
> > their networks and volumes) - who are the reason for the ever growing
> > number of articles. It is the scholarly evaluation system that forces
> > researchers to publish more and more in "high" impact journals.
> Publishers
> > use that to "sell" the "high" impact to researchers through their
> journals,
> > independently of that are these open access, subscription-based or of
> > various mixed models currently in place.
> > You can't blame publishers for doing business just as you can't blame
> your
> > local shop for doing business through delivering goods to you. The
> > greediness in business, however, should be blamed, I agree.
> > As said, the best solution is the gold open access model supported by
> > institutions, societies or sponsors. The model is normally limited in
> > volume per year, because the institutions cannot budget unpredictably and
> > exponentially growing numbers of articles. As an example, more than half
> of
> > the some 30 biodiversity journals in our own portfolio are free to read
> and
> > free to publish. What bad in that the authors to have the choice where to
> > publish?
> > Best,Lyubo
> >
> > -----Lyubomir Penev
> > ORCID:
> >
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> >
> > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 11:15?AM Stephen Thorpe <
> stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> > <mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lyubo,Open Access is a big can of worms. You can claim that it makes
> > scientific outputs more accessible to readers and indeed it does, but
> that
> > just hides the "dark side". The main problem is that the vast majority of
> > published scientific articles are of little or no relevance to most
> > readers, but, collectively, there are a vast number of such low interest
> > articles, so much that the combined OA fees subtract significantly from
> > available research funding. Therefore, in actual fact, the general reader
> > just gets free access to a vast number of articles that hardly anybody
> has
> > any reason to read and the cost is less funding for actual research. The
> > few readers who do have reason to read the average low interest paper
> can,
> > most of the time, read them anyway via institutional subscriptions,
> > subscriptions which have not been abandoned in the OA era (partly because
> > OA is patchy rather than universal). So, many millions of dollars of
> > research funding is being diverted to making low interes
> >  t articles freely readable to a mere handful of potential readers! Sound
> > like a good idea to you? Probably does, because you, as a publisher, get
> > guaranteed revenue from each article published, even if nobody at all
> wants
> > to read it! Hence, I have to doubt whether your views on the subject of
> OA
> > can plausibly be taken as being unbiased! No offence intended, I'm just
> > saying it as it is!Cheers, Stephen
> > ? On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 07:57:10 pm NZST, Lyubomir Penev <
> > lyubo.penev at gmail.com<mailto:lyubo.penev at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Calling open access "Scam" sounds to me like blaming a religious system,
> > sincerely preaching equality and love between people, for the actions of
> > its followers, for example in politics (e.g. religious wars) or business
> > (e.g. services around pilgrimage). The story of Journal of Biogeography
> > isn't a rant against open access as a model but against excessive article
> > processing charges and monopolization (or oligopolization) of the model.
> > It is about inequality and double standards in human societies, not about
> > the publishing model itself.
> > So far I am aware about cases of boycotting high APC-based open access
> > journals, however I've never heard about boycotting (=not reading, not
> > citing) open access papers, even those published in most expensive
> > journals. It is fully understandable that authors do not like to be
> charged
> > for publishing, but I think they also do not like to be charged for, say,
> > EURO 38.95 to access a paper published some 20 years ago.
> > Open access was intended to provide equal access to scientific
> information
> > to all and it did that. The price of it was to create the opposite source
> > of inequality between people who can pay the APC and those who can't.
> > The solution is probably to be found somewhere in-between as it often
> > happens: a co-existence of various publishing models for the authors and
> > communities to choose from and support to free-to-read-free-to-publish
> open
> > access (meaning paid by institutions, societies or third parties) or low
> > cost open access based on affordable and fair APCs.
> > Best regards,Lyubomir
> > -----Lyubomir Penev
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> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:54?AM John Grehan via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > "? can't believe it has taken you guys so long to react to the Open
> Access
> > Scam" Stephen - who are 'you guys'? I am not aware of anyone having their
> > head in the sand over this issue.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 6:35?PM Stephen Thorpe <
> stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> > <mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can't believe it has taken you guys so long to react to the Open Access
> > Scam, which I have posted about here on Taxacom for years! There are two
> > main factors involved. You have touched on the one to do with impact
> > factor. Trying to include taxonomy into the broad area of impact factor
> > metrics is entirely inappropriate. It leads to all sorts of problems,
> such
> > as naming species after celebrities so as to generate publicity. The
> > reality is that very few readers will be immediately interested in any
> one
> > taxonomic article, but it is nevertheless a very valuable part of a much
> > larger whole. You can build a very interesting house out of bricks,
> despite
> > the fact that each individual brick is of low interest to anyone!
> >
> > The other factor with Open Access is to do with the strategic spending of
> > external funding, by corporate research entities. Remember that they are
> > spending other people's money, if it is external funding and the
> economics
> > of spending other people's money is very different to the economics of
> > spending one's own money. I can elaborate if anyone is interested.
> >
> > Stephen
> > On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 09:19:34 am NZST, John Grehan via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I will back up Lynn's comments, especially with respect to ZooNova
> > (excellent outlet). I have also seen how 'newsletters' of some
> > organizations (NZ Ent Soc, Lepidopterist Society) generate 'publications'
> > that are just as good as any commercial product, and yet cost author's
> > nothing. Sadly, I have at least one colleague with whom I collaborate ask
> > that we publish co-authored papers in journals with 'high' indices
> because
> > that is required of the 'employer' to help keep their job. It's a racket
> > for sure.
> >
> > John Grehan
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 4:52?PM Lynn Raw via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> > <mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > In the article they say that quality publishing is expensive. That is
> > only
> > the case with paper publishing. Open Access is by its very nature an
> > online
> > only digital format far less expensive to provide than the older print
> > journals and with no extra costs for colour. It seems the whole process
> > of
> > using citation and other indices rather than the actual quality of the
> > content is a commercial profit driven hoax promoted by the publishers for
> > the benefit of their executives and shareholders. It also gives
> > university
> > administrators numbers that they can understand whether or not they have
> > any idea of the content. Even the highly esteemed Nature sometimes
> > publishes suspect papers. Open access is the ideal low cost publishing
> > system for societies as the only cost lies in the website maintenance and
> > development, web server operation and maintenance of the domain
> > registration.
> > At the moment I am running a small scale OA journal at NO COST to the
> > authors so the model can operate with the right support and volunteers
> > whatever argument is given against it. Obviously it is not a commercial
> > for
> > profit model but it is something that can meet a need for both authors
> > and
> > users of scientific articles.
> >
> > Lynn Raw
> > Independent Researcher & Editor
> >
> >
> >
> > On 31 Jul 2023, at 21.15, Michael Heads via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > I've criticised the new 'Open Access' publishing model for journals as
> > a
> > scam, and here's a new article in J. Biogeogr. against it (note that it
> > doesn't mention publishing scientists who are amateur or retired):
> >
> >
> >
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> > 'Shifts to open access with high article processing charges hinder
> > research
> > equity and careers'
> >
> > --
> > Dunedin, New Zealand.
> >
> > My books:
> >
> > *Biogeography and evolution in New Zealand. *Taylor and Francis/CRC,
> > Boca
> > Raton FL. 2017.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > *Biogeography of Australasia:? A molecular analysis*. Cambridge
> > University
> > Press, Cambridge. 2014.
> >
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> >
> >
> > *Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. *University of California
> > Press,
> > Berkeley. 2012.
> >
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> >
> >
> > *Panbiogeography: Tracking the history of life*. Oxford University
> > Press,
> > New York. 1999. (With R. Craw and J. Grehan).
> >
> >
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> > about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Torbj?rn Tyler, Ph.D,
> >
> > ? Curator at herbarium LD.
> > ? Editor in Chief of Nordic Journal of Botany.
> >
> > ? Responsible for the project The Hieracia of Sweden.
> >
> > Postal address:
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Torbj?rn Tyler, Ph.D,
> >
> > ? Curator at herbarium LD.
> > ? Editor in Chief of Nordic Journal of Botany.
> >
> > ? Responsible for the project The Hieracia of Sweden.
> >
> > Postal address:
> > Botanical Museum
> > Box 117
> > SE-221 00 Lund
> >
> > Address for parcels and visitors:
> > ArkivCentrum Syd
> > Porfyrv?gen 20
> > SE-224 78 Lund
> >
> > tel. +46 (0)46-222 42 34 (automatically re-directing to my mobile)
> >
> >
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> >
> > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration for
> > about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Torbj?rn Tyler, Ph.D,
> >
> > ? Curator at herbarium LD.
> > ? Editor in Chief of Nordic Journal of Botany.
> >
> > ? Responsible for the project The Hieracia of Sweden.
> >
> > Postal address:
> > Botanical Museum
> > Box 117
> > SE-221 00 Lund
> >
> > Address for parcels and visitors:
> > ArkivCentrum Syd
> > Porfyrv?gen 20
> > SE-224 78 Lund
> >
> > tel. +46 (0)46-222 42 34 (automatically re-directing to my mobile)
> >
> >
> > e-mail: torbjorn.tyler[at]biol.lu.se<
> >
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> >
> > Private address: Enningerv?gen 12, SE-243 31 H??r (=Hoeoer), Sweden
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> >
> > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration for
> > about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:39:48 +0000
> > From: Andrew Whittington <awhittington at flyevidence.co.uk>
> > To: "taxacom at lists.ku.edu" <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>, 'Rudy Jocqu?'
> >         <rudy.jocque at africamuseum.be>, "markcost at gmail.com"
> >         <markcost at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "taxacom at lists.ku.edu" <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: open access journals
> > Message-ID:
> >         <
> >
> LO0P123MB4122A8C1BBF7FE6CC6EBDB1E8A08A at LO0P123MB4122.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
> > >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Thank you Rudy and Mark - good to know.
> >
> > As a consultant entomologist, any research I do is self-funded as there
> > are few research grants available for scientists who do not work in an
> > institution. So low- or no-publication costs is a high priority. Knowing
> > that EJT has no publications costs is good to know (I didn't)  and
> having a
> > list such as Mark has produced is really helpful. Thank you both.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Andrew
> >
> > ====o0o====?
> > Andrew E Whittington
> > Consultant Entomologist, PhD, FRES MCSFS
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> >
> > "Taxonomy does not need quick publications, it needs serious and solid
> > ones.?
> > Dubois, A., Bour, R. & Ohler, A. (2015)
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> on behalf of Mark Costello
> > via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Sent: 02 August 2023 22:00
> > To: 'Jean Mariaux' <mariauxj at gmail.com>; 'Rudy Jocqu?' <
> > rudy.jocque at africamuseum.be>
> > Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: open access journals
> >
> > Hi all
> > I started a list of journals which are free to authors and readers here:
> >
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> > Let me know of any I should add or if some are no longer so free.
> > Best regards
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at lists.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Jean Mariaux
> > via Taxacom
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2023 8:45 PM
> > To: Rudy Jocqu? <rudy.jocque at africamuseum.be>
> > Cc: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: open access journals
> >
> > Indeed and this is surprising!
> > EJT is the best example of free, high quality journal I know. A beautiful
> > model.
> > I may add that the editorial process, as I have experienced it, is
> > remarkably efficient (and that I don?t care the least about its IF) J.
> >
> > Envoy? de mon iPhone
> >
> > > Le 2 ao?t 2023 ? 20:35, Rudy Jocqu? via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > a ?crit :
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Isn't EJT (European Journal of Taxonomy) a nice example? Supported by a
> > consortium of European musea and institutes; in agreement with CETAF.
> With
> > a reasonable IF  (1.2) and fully open access. Surprising nobody had the
> > idea to mention it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > > European Journal of Taxonomy is an open access peer-reviewed journal
> > > publishing zoology, botany, entomology and palaeontology papers
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:59:10 +0200
> > From: Martin Wiemers <martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de>
> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: open access journals
> > Message-ID: <2b15d923-40a4-6711-c20d-ac973350c98a at senckenberg.de>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi Stephen & all,
> >
> > I am more optimistic here. As an incentive for institutions to publish,
> > the increase in reputation seems to be sufficient. Thank you to Jean for
> > pointing out the excellent example of EJT which really is a success
> > story (see
> >
> >
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> > )
> > and to Mark for putting together a list of diamond open access journals
> > (please help to improve it:
> >
> >
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> > ).
> >
> > Your second point sounds more serious, and again this is about
> > reputation, which is currently often measured by impact factor. The
> > impact factor, however, has not much to do with the publisher (and there
> > are also society journals with high impact factor such as Systematic
> > Biology) but rather with editorial policies and their attractiveness to
> > researchers. As soon as there are alternative journals that have a
> > comparable impact factor but offer free publishing, the fate of most
> > journals with outrageous publication fees is sealed, exactly because
> > funding is limited and better spent on research. I doubt that most
> > institutions want to waste their money (your third point).
> >
> > When I wrote my DNA barcoding paper as a result from my PhD thesis 20
> > years ago I insisted to publish it in an OA journal, even though OA was
> > quite new at that time and the journal even didn't have an impact
> > factor, yet. It is now the most cited paper of my former supervisor -
> > who has a very long list of excellent publications in very reputable
> > journals. And my two most highly cited papers also appeared in an OA
> > journal with a rather mediocre impact factor - after having been turned
> > down by more reputable journals. And it is these highly cited papers
> > that actually increase the impact factor of journals. Therefore it is up
> > to our community by supporting the right journals to change the
> situation.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Martin Wiemers
> > Head of Ecology & temporary Curator of Lepidoptera
> > Senckenberg Deutsches Entomologisches Institut
> > Eberswalder Str. 90
> > 15374 M?ncheberg
> > Germany
> > Tel. +49 33432 73698-3740
> > Mobile +49 1578 5401271
> > Fax +49 3212 6968883
> > e-mail:martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de
> > skype: martin.wiemers1
> >
> >
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> >
> > Am 02.08.2023 um 23:51 schrieb Stephen Thorpe:
> > > Martin,
> > >
> > > A problem with your suggestion is that there is nothing in it for
> > > universities (or similar big institutions). You suggest that they
> > > could spend the money they save on subscriptions on publishing in
> > > house, or contracting suitably cheap external publishers. Well, it is
> > > actually very unclear if they are saving much on subscriptions. A lot
> > > of older literature is still paywalled. Furthermore, if they are
> > > making savings, they can currently spend those savings however they
> > > see fit. Your suggestion that they should spend the savings on OA
> > > publishing doesn't have any obvious benefits for such institutions.
> > >
> > > The bigger problem is that universities and the like still seem to use
> > > metrics which encourage publication in more expensive journals. I'm
> > > not sure that a suggestion by you, or even by a significant global
> > > body of scientists, is going to have much hope of changing the way
> > > that universities are ranked globally. The ranking system is sensitive
> > > to things like impact factors. The rank of a university translates
> > > into profits (apparently Chinese students in particular, who pay very
> > > high fees to attend Western universities, are particularly alert to
> > > the rankings). Universities are all in competition to attract overseas
> > > students. I recall an end of year function speech by the late Stuart
> > > McCutcheon, former Vice-Chancellor of the University of Auckland. He
> > > said that enrolments were up and everything was looking really good
> > > for next year. As almost an afterthought, he added that domestic
> > > enrolments were down a little bit, "but that doesn't matter"!
> > >
> > > The problem isn't so much a lack of low cost alternatives for
> > > publishing OA. The problem is the existence of high cost alternatives.
> > > These act as strategic money sinks. After all, the big publishers are
> > > selling access, and not cheaply, to many older single articles, no
> > > longer in copyright, that are available freely elsewhere, such as on
> > > Biodiversity Heritage Library! I'm sure that if a researcher puts down
> > > a receipt for a thousand dollars, or whatever, spent on paywalled
> > > literature, nobody is going to check if the literature was available
> > > freely elsewhere!
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 06:04:11 am NZST, Torbj?rn Tyler via
> > > Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Martin,
> > >
> > > With this I fully agree and it is exactly what most societies
> > > publishing journals already do today (including Nordic Journal of
> > > Botany for which I am editor-in-chief; Owned by the Nordic Society
> > > Oikos but published by Wiley). Indeed, as you say, larger institutions
> > > may do the same, although I don?t think there are that many
> > > institutions with a taxonomic/systematic focus that are large enough
> > > to take on all duties involved in publishing an international,
> > > high-standard scientific journal.
> > >
> > > :) Torbj?rn
> > >
> > > 2 aug. 2023 kl. 18:56 skrev Martin Wiemers via Taxacom
> > > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>>:
> > >
> > > Dear Torbj?rn & all,
> > >
> > > in my view there IS a way out of the dilemma in an OA scenario, if
> > > more scientific institutions (respectively their libraries) would take
> > > over the task of publishing scientific journals. In case they do not
> > > have the publishing capacity, they could ask publishers to do so using
> > > the money saved from subscriptions - BUT they could switch publishers
> > > if they overcharge, because they keep the control.
> > >
> > > In this way the quasi-monopoly of the big publishers could be broken
> > > and reasonable publishing costs be ensured. This model is already
> > > successfully used e.g. by the Berlin Natural History Museum for its
> > > journals "Zoosystematics and Evolution (ZE)" and "Deutsche
> > > Entomologische Zeitschrift (DEZ)", by LIB's "Evolutionary Systematics
> > > (ES)" and by Senckenberg for "Arthropod Systematics and Phylogeny
> > > (ASP)" (for which I am a co-editor) and most recently our own
> > > institute's journal "Contributions to Entomology (CE)". Notably these
> > > journals are published by Pensoft which is charging reasonable fees
> > > also for its own journals.
> > >
> > > The rising number of articles in those journals and also their rising
> > > impact factors (2.354 now for ASP; 2.29 for ZE) is evidence for the
> > > success of this model which enables free-of-charge publishing for all
> > > authors irrespective of their affiliations and country of origin
> > > (although there might be quotas for free publishing due to budget
> > > limitations as e.g. in ES, where the 2023 quota has already expired).
> > >
> > > In combination with society journals this model would be the perfect
> > > solution and it is also up to our community to support such journals
> > > as authors, reviewers or editors.
> > >
> > > With hope for a brighter OA future,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. Martin Wiemers
> > > Head of Ecology & temporary Curator of Lepidoptera
> > > Senckenberg Deutsches Entomologisches Institut
> > > Eberswalder Str. 90
> > > 15374 M?ncheberg
> > > Germany
> > > Tel. +49 33432 73698-3740
> > > Mobile +49 1578 5401271
> > > Fax +49 3212 6968883
> > > e-mail:
> > > martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de<mailto:martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de>
> > > skype: martin.wiemers1
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > > Am 02.08.2023 um 08:17 schrieb Torbj?rn Tyler via Taxacom:
> > > Stephen,
> > >
> > > OK, then I understand your concerns, but in my case the OA fees are
> > > also payed collectively from the ?overhead?. In fact I think it is all
> > > handled by my university library so it isn?t much different from how
> > > subscription fees used to be (and still are in some cases) payed.
> > > Isn?t that normal for those institutions and countries that have ?OA
> > > licensing agreements? with the major scientific publishers?
> > >
> > > Now most institutions in the developed world are indeed covered by
> > > such agreements with e.g. Wiley, Springer and Elsevier, implying that
> > > OA fees are not payed for individual published papers or by individual
> > > authors but for the collective output from the whole department,
> > > institution or country.
> > >
> > > The remaining problem is those reserachers that work at institutions
> > > and in countries that cannot afford to pay for such agreements, but
> > > these are probably mostly the same as those who could not afford to
> > > pay for subscriptions in the past. For them there has been a change
> > > from not being able to read their own and their colleagues
> > > publications to not being able to publish themselves. Same, but
> > > different? Even worse for those, still quite many, advanced amateur
> > > taxonomists that are not formally employed at any research institution!
> > >
> > > To be honest, in my opinion OA publishing hasn?t really changed much.
> > > The problems with high costs and that ?publication services" are not
> > > available for everyone still remain, although now on a different
> > > basis. However, I cannot see any solution to this since high-quality
> > > ?publication services? will always be costly, someone has to pay these
> > > costs and nobody will volonteerely pay for those who cannot pay
> > > themselves? (I am aware of that the major publishers now offers
> > > various OA fee waivers for authors from developing countries, but I am
> > > afraid these will never change much in practice.)
> > >
> > > / Torbj?rn
> > >
> > > 2 aug. 2023 kl. 00:19 skrev Stephen Thorpe
> > > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>:
> > >
> > > Torbj?rn,
> > >
> > > By "research funding", I was referring to the 50% of an external grant
> > > that is left over after the institution has claimed the "overheads".
> > > Money for subscriptions comes out of the "overheads", by my
> > > understanding. OA fees, by contrast, come out of the research funding.
> > > That money would otherwise have been spent on research, rather than on
> > > publishing fees.
> > >
> > > Institutions still claim the 50% in "overheads", by my understanding.
> > > OA hasn't changed that. In fact, they still buy subscriptions, as far
> > > as I can tell, though that doesn't really matter, since they can do
> > > what they like with the "overheads". The point is that publishing
> > > costs are now subtracted from the research funding half of an external
> > > grant. It just seems a bit of a mystery who exactly benefits from this
> > > (other than OA publishers)!
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 10:51:26 pm NZST, Torbj?rn Tyler
> > > <torbjorn.tyler at biol.lu.se<mailto:torbjorn.tyler at biol.lu.se>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > So, from where in your opinion did that money come that used to pay
> > > for journal subscriptions if it did not come from research funding?
> > >
> > > I know that may differ between countries and institutions, but in
> > > general I believe subscriptions to scientific journals have always in
> > > one way or another been payed from research budgets and in my world
> > > (Sweden, Lund University) ca 50% of all ?external? fundings that
> > > individual researchers obtain are payed as tax (?overhead?) to finance
> > > e.g. libraries and their journal subscription (among many other
> > > functions that are needed by all researchers alike and together).
> > >
> > > I don?t think it should have come as a surprise for anyone that a
> > > change from a reader-pay model to an author-pay model would not in
> > > itself reduce the total costs of publication and distribution of
> > > scientific texts. All costs associated with it, including editorial
> > > handling, scientific reviewing, checking for lingusitic errors and
> > > plagiarism etc, handling of copyright agreements and other legal and
> > > financial matters, copyediting, typesetting, distribution, advertising
> > > and archiving (in case of electronic publications), plus any economic
> > > revenue wanted by the owner of the journals, does remain the same no
> > > matter who pays for it! These costs are real and have to be payed by
> > > someone to keep quality and safety in the publishing process, unless
> > > someone volunteerely undertakes these duties for free but when
> > > researchers do things volunteerely it usually also implies a cost for
> > > the ?reasearch budget? since it usually means that they are performing
> > > these duties on times when they are actually payed for doing research
> > > or teaching? The only costs that may not be cosnidered ?real? are the
> > > revenues taken by commercial companies owning journals, but these we
> > > can all avoid by choosing journals owned by scientific societies and
> > > other non-profit organisations. However, the costs for publishing in
> > > journals owned by such non-profit organisations are commonly at
> > > (almost) the same level as for journals with commersial owners,
> > > suggesting that the profit taken by the latter may not be that huge
> > > anyway.
> > >
> > > Yours,
> > > Torbj?rn TYler
> > >
> > > 1 aug. 2023 kl. 11:41 skrev Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom
> > > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>>:
> > >
> > > Lyubo,
> > > Realistically, no matter how noble an original vision, the
> > > implementation is what matters. I'm not entirely convinced that OA was
> > > in any shape or form a noble original vision, but let's put that aside
> > > and focus on the implementation:
> > > Before OA, articles were published for free, but readers had to pay to
> > > read them. One of the problems was that institutions ended up paying
> > > publishers big money for subscriptions. That money did not however
> > > come out of research funding. Nevertheless, publishers like Elsevier
> > > were making vast profits. Few institutions bought subscriptions to
> > > obscure journals, so most readers had to rely on contacts to get hold
> > > of those, but it worked because relatively rew readers wanted to read
> > > articles from obscure journals. The community just handed around
> > > photocopies.
> > > Today, institutions still have to pay big subscriptions AND authors
> > > have to pay the publisher big money (for high impact journals) to get
> > > the articles published. This money does come out of research funding.
> > > The only difference is that now anyone can read the articles freely
> > > online. But for low interest articles, the OA fees are set too high.
> > > Given that most scientific articles (particularly in taxonomy) are low
> > > interest, the combined OA fees for all of them represents a
> > > significant chunk of research funding. Sure, some journals aren't very
> > > high impact and so charge lower OA fees, but they also tend to publish
> > > very prolifically, so the combined OA fees are still significant.
> > > It is just very hard to see exactly who benefits from this and how.
> > > Poorer countries, whose libraries cannot afford subscriptions, benefit
> > > from free reads of OA articles, but they also want to publish articles
> > > and also have less research funding to play with, so they won't want
> > > to publish OA. Maybe they can benefit from richer countries publishing
> > > OA, gaining free access to articles published in those richer
> > > countries. However, at least in taxonomy, it is unclear to what extent
> > > taxonomists in poorer countries need or benefit from free access to
> > > articles published in richer countries? Besides, this must be balanced
> > > by the reduction in research funding in the richer countries, due to
> > > them having to pay high OA fees. The cost benefit analysis is complex
> > > and, I think, largely unknown. The only thing that is clear is that
> > > publishers benefit from OA, particularly publishers of high impact
> > > journals and particularly while it is still necessary to buy
> > > subscriptions because not everything is OA and one also has the added
> > > complication of pre-OA literature which is still hidden behind
> paywalls.
> > > Institutions using external funding also benefit from strategic
> > > spending on OA fees. This can add to their corporate profits, but only
> > > at the cost of eating up funding that could otherwise have been used
> > > on doing research.
> > > In summary, it is clear that publishers and corporate research
> > > institutions benefit financially from OA, but very unclear who else
> > > benefits and how.
> > > Cheers, Stephen
> > > ? On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 08:57:24 pm NZST, Lyubomir Penev
> > > <lyubo.penev at gmail.com<mailto:lyubo.penev at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Stephen,
> > > No offense at all, but I really try to separate the meaning and
> > > mission of the open access model from its various (mis)interpretations
> > > and (mis)uses. The increasing number of articles is not due to the
> > > appearance of open access as a model. It is not the publishers - you
> > > say they like to publish more and earn more (electric companies also
> > > like to do that by expanding their networks and volumes) - who are the
> > > reason for the ever growing number of articles. It is the scholarly
> > > evaluation system that forces researchers to publish more and more in
> > > "high" impact journals. Publishers use that to "sell" the "high"
> > > impact to researchers through their journals, independently of that
> > > are these open access, subscription-based or of various mixed models
> > > currently in place.
> > > You can't blame publishers for doing business just as you can't blame
> > > your local shop for doing business through delivering goods to you.
> > > The greediness in business, however, should be blamed, I agree.
> > > As said, the best solution is the gold open access model supported by
> > > institutions, societies or sponsors. The model is normally limited in
> > > volume per year, because the institutions cannot budget unpredictably
> > > and exponentially growing numbers of articles. As an example, more
> > > than half of the some 30 biodiversity journals in our own portfolio
> > > are free to read and free to publish. What bad in that the authors to
> > > have the choice where to publish?
> > > Best,Lyubo
> > >
> > > -----Lyubomir Penev
> > > ORCID:
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 11:15?AM Stephen Thorpe
> > > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lyubo,Open Access is a big can of worms. You can claim that it
> > > makes scientific outputs more accessible to readers and indeed it
> > > does, but that just hides the "dark side". The main problem is that
> > > the vast majority of published scientific articles are of little or no
> > > relevance to most readers, but, collectively, there are a vast number
> > > of such low interest articles, so much that the combined OA fees
> > > subtract significantly from available research funding. Therefore, in
> > > actual fact, the general reader just gets free access to a vast number
> > > of articles that hardly anybody has any reason to read and the cost is
> > > less funding for actual research. The few readers who do have reason
> > > to read the average low interest paper can, most of the time, read
> > > them anyway via institutional subscriptions, subscriptions which have
> > > not been abandoned in the OA era (partly because OA is patchy rather
> > > than universal). So, many millions of dollars of research funding is
> > > being diverted to making low interest articles freely readable to a
> > > mere handful of potential readers! Sound like a good idea to you?
> > > Probably does, because you, as a publisher, get guaranteed revenue
> > > from each article published, even if nobody at all wants to read it!
> > > Hence, I have to doubt whether your views on the subject of OA can
> > > plausibly be taken as being unbiased! No offence intended, I'm just
> > > saying it as it is!Cheers, Stephen
> > > ? On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 07:57:10 pm NZST, Lyubomir Penev
> > > <lyubo.penev at gmail.com<mailto:lyubo.penev at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Calling open access "Scam" sounds to me like blaming a religious
> > > system, sincerely preaching equality and love between people, for the
> > > actions of its followers, for example in politics (e.g. religious
> > > wars) or business (e.g. services around pilgrimage). The story of
> > > Journal of Biogeography isn't a rant against open access as a model
> > > but against excessive article processing charges and monopolization
> > > (or oligopolization) of the model.
> > > It is about inequality and double standards in human societies, not
> > > about the publishing model itself.
> > > So far I am aware about cases of boycotting high APC-based open access
> > > journals, however I've never heard about boycotting (=not reading, not
> > > citing) open access papers, even those published in most expensive
> > > journals. It is fully understandable that authors do not like to be
> > > charged for publishing, but I think they also do not like to be
> > > charged for, say, EURO 38.95 to access a paper published some 20 years
> > > ago.
> > > Open access was intended to provide equal access to scientific
> > > information to all and it did that. The price of it was to create the
> > > opposite source of inequality between people who can pay the APC and
> > > those who can't.
> > > The solution is probably to be found somewhere in-between as it often
> > > happens: a co-existence of various publishing models for the authors
> > > and communities to choose from and support to
> > > free-to-read-free-to-publish open access (meaning paid by
> > > institutions, societies or third parties) or low cost open access
> > > based on affordable and fair APCs.
> > > Best regards,Lyubomir
> > > -----Lyubomir Penev
> > > ORCID:
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:54?AM John Grehan via Taxacom
> > > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> > >
> > > "? can't believe it has taken you guys so long to react to the Open
> > Access
> > > Scam" Stephen - who are 'you guys'? I am not aware of anyone having
> their
> > > head in the sand over this issue.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 6:35?PM Stephen Thorpe
> > > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't believe it has taken you guys so long to react to the Open
> Access
> > > Scam, which I have posted about here on Taxacom for years! There are
> two
> > > main factors involved. You have touched on the one to do with impact
> > > factor. Trying to include taxonomy into the broad area of impact factor
> > > metrics is entirely inappropriate. It leads to all sorts of problems,
> > such
> > > as naming species after celebrities so as to generate publicity. The
> > > reality is that very few readers will be immediately interested in any
> > one
> > > taxonomic article, but it is nevertheless a very valuable part of a
> much
> > > larger whole. You can build a very interesting house out of bricks,
> > > despite
> > > the fact that each individual brick is of low interest to anyone!
> > >
> > > The other factor with Open Access is to do with the strategic spending
> of
> > > external funding, by corporate research entities. Remember that they
> are
> > > spending other people's money, if it is external funding and the
> > economics
> > > of spending other people's money is very different to the economics of
> > > spending one's own money. I can elaborate if anyone is interested.
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > > On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 09:19:34 am NZST, John Grehan via Taxacom
> <
> > > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I will back up Lynn's comments, especially with respect to ZooNova
> > > (excellent outlet). I have also seen how 'newsletters' of some
> > > organizations (NZ Ent Soc, Lepidopterist Society) generate
> 'publications'
> > > that are just as good as any commercial product, and yet cost author's
> > > nothing. Sadly, I have at least one colleague with whom I collaborate
> ask
> > > that we publish co-authored papers in journals with 'high' indices
> > because
> > > that is required of the 'employer' to help keep their job. It's a
> racket
> > > for sure.
> > >
> > > John Grehan
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 4:52?PM Lynn Raw via Taxacom
> > > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > In the article they say that quality publishing is expensive. That is
> > > only
> > > the case with paper publishing. Open Access is by its very nature an
> > > online
> > > only digital format far less expensive to provide than the older print
> > > journals and with no extra costs for colour. It seems the whole process
> > > of
> > > using citation and other indices rather than the actual quality of the
> > > content is a commercial profit driven hoax promoted by the publishers
> for
> > > the benefit of their executives and shareholders. It also gives
> > > university
> > > administrators numbers that they can understand whether or not they
> have
> > > any idea of the content. Even the highly esteemed Nature sometimes
> > > publishes suspect papers. Open access is the ideal low cost publishing
> > > system for societies as the only cost lies in the website maintenance
> and
> > > development, web server operation and maintenance of the domain
> > > registration.
> > > At the moment I am running a small scale OA journal at NO COST to the
> > > authors so the model can operate with the right support and volunteers
> > > whatever argument is given against it. Obviously it is not a commercial
> > > for
> > > profit model but it is something that can meet a need for both authors
> > > and
> > > users of scientific articles.
> > >
> > > Lynn Raw
> > > Independent Researcher & Editor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 31 Jul 2023, at 21.15, Michael Heads via Taxacom <
> > > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've criticised the new 'Open Access' publishing model for journals as
> > > a
> > > scam, and here's a new article in J. Biogeogr. against it (note that it
> > > doesn't mention publishing scientists who are amateur or retired):
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > > 'Shifts to open access with high article processing charges hinder
> > > research
> > > equity and careers'
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dunedin, New Zealand.
> > >
> > > My books:
> > >
> > > *Biogeography and evolution in New Zealand. *Taylor and Francis/CRC,
> > > Boca
> > > Raton FL. 2017.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > *Biogeography of Australasia:? A molecular analysis*. Cambridge
> > > University
> > > Press, Cambridge. 2014.
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > *Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. *University of California
> > > Press,
> > > Berkeley. 2012.
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > *Panbiogeography: Tracking the history of life*. Oxford University
> > > Press,
> > > New York. 1999. (With R. Craw and J. Grehan).
> > >
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> > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
> > > for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Torbj?rn Tyler, Ph.D,
> > >
> > > ? Curator at herbarium LD.
> > > ? Editor in Chief of Nordic Journal of Botany.
> > >
> > > ? Responsible for the project The Hieracia of Sweden.
> > >
> > > Postal address:
> > > Botanical Museum
> > > Box 117
> > > SE-221 00 Lund
> > >
> > > Address for parcels and visitors:
> > > ArkivCentrum Syd
> > > Porfyrv?gen 20
> > > SE-224 78 Lund
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> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 11:01:01 +0100
> > From: Ross Mounce <ross.mounce at bath.edu>
> > To: Martin Wiemers <martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de>
> > Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: Taxacom: open access journals
> > Message-ID:
> >         <CAF8va=
> > bSJZGjtFB5EFOotBFSZNTqza2wMS_HjNn8CZNLOXC2Ag at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > In addition to Mark Costello's list, may I also point out the utility of
> > the Directory of Open Access Journals (DOAJ) in finding suitable fee-free
> > open access journals.
> >
> > DOAJ maintains a website of vetted open access journals. DOAJ does not
> just
> > list any and all open access journals, certain quality standards have to
> be
> > met and hence no OMICS journals are listed in DOAJ.
> > DOAJ currently lists over 13,000 open access journals that are both open
> > access to readers AND do not charge author-side fees. [1]
> >
> >
> > Personally I find it quite remarkable that the editorial in the Journal
> of
> > Biogeography appears to make no mention of a clearly suitable alternative
> > journal *Frontiers of Biogeography * which is a journal of the
> > International Biogeography Society (IBS).  [2]
> > The *Frontiers of Biogeography* journal is open access (so free for
> > readers), and asks authors to pay (e.g. from grant funding) a modest fee
> of
> > either 360 USD (non-IBS members) or 180 USD (IBS members) if they can
> pay.
> > If authors do not have a funding source that they can pay the modest
> > publishing charges from, then they do not need to pay anything. Ability
> to
> > pay has no bearing on acceptance for publication at *Frontiers of
> > Biogeography*. [3]
> >
> > I should add that Frontiers of Biogeography is hosted online by a
> > not-for-profit organisation - the University of California and
> > its eScholarship platform, which is a service of the Publishing & Special
> > Collections Group of the California Digital Library.
> > By contrast the Journal of Biogeography, owned & operated by Wiley is
> > fundamentally a business that is seeking to make profit, which happens to
> > be popular with biogeographers at the moment (but this could change...).
> If
> > one cared about equality I think it's obvious which is the journal
> > that ought to be preferred by biogeographers for publishing in.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Ross Mounce
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 at 09:59, Martin Wiemers via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Stephen & all,
> > >
> > > I am more optimistic here. As an incentive for institutions to publish,
> > > the increase in reputation seems to be sufficient. Thank you to Jean
> for
> > > pointing out the excellent example of EJT which really is a success
> > > story (see
> > >
> >
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> > )
> > > and to Mark for putting together a list of diamond open access journals
> > > (please help to improve it:
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > > ).
> > >
> > > Your second point sounds more serious, and again this is about
> > > reputation, which is currently often measured by impact factor. The
> > > impact factor, however, has not much to do with the publisher (and
> there
> > > are also society journals with high impact factor such as Systematic
> > > Biology) but rather with editorial policies and their attractiveness to
> > > researchers. As soon as there are alternative journals that have a
> > > comparable impact factor but offer free publishing, the fate of most
> > > journals with outrageous publication fees is sealed, exactly because
> > > funding is limited and better spent on research. I doubt that most
> > > institutions want to waste their money (your third point).
> > >
> > > When I wrote my DNA barcoding paper as a result from my PhD thesis 20
> > > years ago I insisted to publish it in an OA journal, even though OA was
> > > quite new at that time and the journal even didn't have an impact
> > > factor, yet. It is now the most cited paper of my former supervisor -
> > > who has a very long list of excellent publications in very reputable
> > > journals. And my two most highly cited papers also appeared in an OA
> > > journal with a rather mediocre impact factor - after having been turned
> > > down by more reputable journals. And it is these highly cited papers
> > > that actually increase the impact factor of journals. Therefore it is
> up
> > > to our community by supporting the right journals to change the
> > situation.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. Martin Wiemers
> > > Head of Ecology & temporary Curator of Lepidoptera
> > > Senckenberg Deutsches Entomologisches Institut
> > > Eberswalder Str. 90
> > > 15374 M?ncheberg
> > > Germany
> > > Tel. +49 33432 73698-3740
> > > Mobile +49 1578 5401271
> > > Fax +49 3212 6968883
> > > e-mail:martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de
> > > skype: martin.wiemers1
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > > Am 02.08.2023 um 23:51 schrieb Stephen Thorpe:
> > > > Martin,
> > > >
> > > > A problem with your suggestion is that there is nothing in it for
> > > > universities (or similar big institutions). You suggest that they
> > > > could spend the money they save on subscriptions on publishing in
> > > > house, or contracting suitably cheap external publishers. Well, it is
> > > > actually very unclear if they are saving much on subscriptions. A lot
> > > > of older literature is still paywalled. Furthermore, if they are
> > > > making savings, they can currently spend those savings however they
> > > > see fit. Your suggestion that they should spend the savings on OA
> > > > publishing doesn't have any obvious benefits for such institutions.
> > > >
> > > > The bigger problem is that universities and the like still seem to
> use
> > > > metrics which encourage publication in more expensive journals. I'm
> > > > not sure that a suggestion by you, or even by a significant global
> > > > body of scientists, is going to have much hope of changing the way
> > > > that universities are ranked globally. The ranking system is
> sensitive
> > > > to things like impact factors. The rank of a university translates
> > > > into profits (apparently Chinese students in particular, who pay very
> > > > high fees to attend Western universities, are particularly alert to
> > > > the rankings). Universities are all in competition to attract
> overseas
> > > > students. I recall an end of year function speech by the late Stuart
> > > > McCutcheon, former Vice-Chancellor of the University of Auckland. He
> > > > said that enrolments were up and everything was looking really good
> > > > for next year. As almost an afterthought, he added that domestic
> > > > enrolments were down a little bit, "but that doesn't matter"!
> > > >
> > > > The problem isn't so much a lack of low cost alternatives for
> > > > publishing OA. The problem is the existence of high cost
> alternatives.
> > > > These act as strategic money sinks. After all, the big publishers are
> > > > selling access, and not cheaply, to many older single articles, no
> > > > longer in copyright, that are available freely elsewhere, such as on
> > > > Biodiversity Heritage Library! I'm sure that if a researcher puts
> down
> > > > a receipt for a thousand dollars, or whatever, spent on paywalled
> > > > literature, nobody is going to check if the literature was available
> > > > freely elsewhere!
> > > >
> > > > Stephen
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 06:04:11 am NZST, Torbj?rn Tyler via
> > > > Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Martin,
> > > >
> > > > With this I fully agree and it is exactly what most societies
> > > > publishing journals already do today (including Nordic Journal of
> > > > Botany for which I am editor-in-chief; Owned by the Nordic Society
> > > > Oikos but published by Wiley). Indeed, as you say, larger
> institutions
> > > > may do the same, although I don?t think there are that many
> > > > institutions with a taxonomic/systematic focus that are large enough
> > > > to take on all duties involved in publishing an international,
> > > > high-standard scientific journal.
> > > >
> > > > :) Torbj?rn
> > > >
> > > > 2 aug. 2023 kl. 18:56 skrev Martin Wiemers via Taxacom
> > > > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>>:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Torbj?rn & all,
> > > >
> > > > in my view there IS a way out of the dilemma in an OA scenario, if
> > > > more scientific institutions (respectively their libraries) would
> take
> > > > over the task of publishing scientific journals. In case they do not
> > > > have the publishing capacity, they could ask publishers to do so
> using
> > > > the money saved from subscriptions - BUT they could switch publishers
> > > > if they overcharge, because they keep the control.
> > > >
> > > > In this way the quasi-monopoly of the big publishers could be broken
> > > > and reasonable publishing costs be ensured. This model is already
> > > > successfully used e.g. by the Berlin Natural History Museum for its
> > > > journals "Zoosystematics and Evolution (ZE)" and "Deutsche
> > > > Entomologische Zeitschrift (DEZ)", by LIB's "Evolutionary Systematics
> > > > (ES)" and by Senckenberg for "Arthropod Systematics and Phylogeny
> > > > (ASP)" (for which I am a co-editor) and most recently our own
> > > > institute's journal "Contributions to Entomology (CE)". Notably these
> > > > journals are published by Pensoft which is charging reasonable fees
> > > > also for its own journals.
> > > >
> > > > The rising number of articles in those journals and also their rising
> > > > impact factors (2.354 now for ASP; 2.29 for ZE) is evidence for the
> > > > success of this model which enables free-of-charge publishing for all
> > > > authors irrespective of their affiliations and country of origin
> > > > (although there might be quotas for free publishing due to budget
> > > > limitations as e.g. in ES, where the 2023 quota has already expired).
> > > >
> > > > In combination with society journals this model would be the perfect
> > > > solution and it is also up to our community to support such journals
> > > > as authors, reviewers or editors.
> > > >
> > > > With hope for a brighter OA future,
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dr. Martin Wiemers
> > > > Head of Ecology & temporary Curator of Lepidoptera
> > > > Senckenberg Deutsches Entomologisches Institut
> > > > Eberswalder Str. 90
> > > > 15374 M?ncheberg
> > > > Germany
> > > > Tel. +49 33432 73698-3740
> > > > Mobile +49 1578 5401271
> > > > Fax +49 3212 6968883
> > > > e-mail:
> > > > martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de<mailto:martin.wiemers at senckenberg.de>
> > > > skype: martin.wiemers1
> > > >
> >
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> > > > Am 02.08.2023 um 08:17 schrieb Torbj?rn Tyler via Taxacom:
> > > > Stephen,
> > > >
> > > > OK, then I understand your concerns, but in my case the OA fees are
> > > > also payed collectively from the ?overhead?. In fact I think it is
> all
> > > > handled by my university library so it isn?t much different from how
> > > > subscription fees used to be (and still are in some cases) payed.
> > > > Isn?t that normal for those institutions and countries that have ?OA
> > > > licensing agreements? with the major scientific publishers?
> > > >
> > > > Now most institutions in the developed world are indeed covered by
> > > > such agreements with e.g. Wiley, Springer and Elsevier, implying that
> > > > OA fees are not payed for individual published papers or by
> individual
> > > > authors but for the collective output from the whole department,
> > > > institution or country.
> > > >
> > > > The remaining problem is those reserachers that work at institutions
> > > > and in countries that cannot afford to pay for such agreements, but
> > > > these are probably mostly the same as those who could not afford to
> > > > pay for subscriptions in the past. For them there has been a change
> > > > from not being able to read their own and their colleagues
> > > > publications to not being able to publish themselves. Same, but
> > > > different? Even worse for those, still quite many, advanced amateur
> > > > taxonomists that are not formally employed at any research
> institution!
> > > >
> > > > To be honest, in my opinion OA publishing hasn?t really changed much.
> > > > The problems with high costs and that ?publication services" are not
> > > > available for everyone still remain, although now on a different
> > > > basis. However, I cannot see any solution to this since high-quality
> > > > ?publication services? will always be costly, someone has to pay
> these
> > > > costs and nobody will volonteerely pay for those who cannot pay
> > > > themselves? (I am aware of that the major publishers now offers
> > > > various OA fee waivers for authors from developing countries, but I
> am
> > > > afraid these will never change much in practice.)
> > > >
> > > > / Torbj?rn
> > > >
> > > > 2 aug. 2023 kl. 00:19 skrev Stephen Thorpe
> > > > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>:
> > > >
> > > > Torbj?rn,
> > > >
> > > > By "research funding", I was referring to the 50% of an external
> grant
> > > > that is left over after the institution has claimed the "overheads".
> > > > Money for subscriptions comes out of the "overheads", by my
> > > > understanding. OA fees, by contrast, come out of the research
> funding.
> > > > That money would otherwise have been spent on research, rather than
> on
> > > > publishing fees.
> > > >
> > > > Institutions still claim the 50% in "overheads", by my understanding.
> > > > OA hasn't changed that. In fact, they still buy subscriptions, as far
> > > > as I can tell, though that doesn't really matter, since they can do
> > > > what they like with the "overheads". The point is that publishing
> > > > costs are now subtracted from the research funding half of an
> external
> > > > grant. It just seems a bit of a mystery who exactly benefits from
> this
> > > > (other than OA publishers)!
> > > >
> > > > Stephen
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 10:51:26 pm NZST, Torbj?rn Tyler
> > > > <torbjorn.tyler at biol.lu.se<mailto:torbjorn.tyler at biol.lu.se>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, from where in your opinion did that money come that used to pay
> > > > for journal subscriptions if it did not come from research funding?
> > > >
> > > > I know that may differ between countries and institutions, but in
> > > > general I believe subscriptions to scientific journals have always in
> > > > one way or another been payed from research budgets and in my world
> > > > (Sweden, Lund University) ca 50% of all ?external? fundings that
> > > > individual researchers obtain are payed as tax (?overhead?) to
> finance
> > > > e.g. libraries and their journal subscription (among many other
> > > > functions that are needed by all researchers alike and together).
> > > >
> > > > I don?t think it should have come as a surprise for anyone that a
> > > > change from a reader-pay model to an author-pay model would not in
> > > > itself reduce the total costs of publication and distribution of
> > > > scientific texts. All costs associated with it, including editorial
> > > > handling, scientific reviewing, checking for lingusitic errors and
> > > > plagiarism etc, handling of copyright agreements and other legal and
> > > > financial matters, copyediting, typesetting, distribution,
> advertising
> > > > and archiving (in case of electronic publications), plus any economic
> > > > revenue wanted by the owner of the journals, does remain the same no
> > > > matter who pays for it! These costs are real and have to be payed by
> > > > someone to keep quality and safety in the publishing process, unless
> > > > someone volunteerely undertakes these duties for free but when
> > > > researchers do things volunteerely it usually also implies a cost for
> > > > the ?reasearch budget? since it usually means that they are
> performing
> > > > these duties on times when they are actually payed for doing research
> > > > or teaching? The only costs that may not be cosnidered ?real? are the
> > > > revenues taken by commercial companies owning journals, but these we
> > > > can all avoid by choosing journals owned by scientific societies and
> > > > other non-profit organisations. However, the costs for publishing in
> > > > journals owned by such non-profit organisations are commonly at
> > > > (almost) the same level as for journals with commersial owners,
> > > > suggesting that the profit taken by the latter may not be that huge
> > > > anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Yours,
> > > > Torbj?rn TYler
> > > >
> > > > 1 aug. 2023 kl. 11:41 skrev Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom
> > > > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>>:
> > > >
> > > > Lyubo,
> > > > Realistically, no matter how noble an original vision, the
> > > > implementation is what matters. I'm not entirely convinced that OA
> was
> > > > in any shape or form a noble original vision, but let's put that
> aside
> > > > and focus on the implementation:
> > > > Before OA, articles were published for free, but readers had to pay
> to
> > > > read them. One of the problems was that institutions ended up paying
> > > > publishers big money for subscriptions. That money did not however
> > > > come out of research funding. Nevertheless, publishers like Elsevier
> > > > were making vast profits. Few institutions bought subscriptions to
> > > > obscure journals, so most readers had to rely on contacts to get hold
> > > > of those, but it worked because relatively rew readers wanted to read
> > > > articles from obscure journals. The community just handed around
> > > > photocopies.
> > > > Today, institutions still have to pay big subscriptions AND authors
> > > > have to pay the publisher big money (for high impact journals) to get
> > > > the articles published. This money does come out of research funding.
> > > > The only difference is that now anyone can read the articles freely
> > > > online. But for low interest articles, the OA fees are set too high.
> > > > Given that most scientific articles (particularly in taxonomy) are
> low
> > > > interest, the combined OA fees for all of them represents a
> > > > significant chunk of research funding. Sure, some journals aren't
> very
> > > > high impact and so charge lower OA fees, but they also tend to
> publish
> > > > very prolifically, so the combined OA fees are still significant.
> > > > It is just very hard to see exactly who benefits from this and how.
> > > > Poorer countries, whose libraries cannot afford subscriptions,
> benefit
> > > > from free reads of OA articles, but they also want to publish
> articles
> > > > and also have less research funding to play with, so they won't want
> > > > to publish OA. Maybe they can benefit from richer countries
> publishing
> > > > OA, gaining free access to articles published in those richer
> > > > countries. However, at least in taxonomy, it is unclear to what
> extent
> > > > taxonomists in poorer countries need or benefit from free access to
> > > > articles published in richer countries? Besides, this must be
> balanced
> > > > by the reduction in research funding in the richer countries, due to
> > > > them having to pay high OA fees. The cost benefit analysis is complex
> > > > and, I think, largely unknown. The only thing that is clear is that
> > > > publishers benefit from OA, particularly publishers of high impact
> > > > journals and particularly while it is still necessary to buy
> > > > subscriptions because not everything is OA and one also has the added
> > > > complication of pre-OA literature which is still hidden behind
> > paywalls.
> > > > Institutions using external funding also benefit from strategic
> > > > spending on OA fees. This can add to their corporate profits, but
> only
> > > > at the cost of eating up funding that could otherwise have been used
> > > > on doing research.
> > > > In summary, it is clear that publishers and corporate research
> > > > institutions benefit financially from OA, but very unclear who else
> > > > benefits and how.
> > > > Cheers, Stephen
> > > >   On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 08:57:24 pm NZST, Lyubomir Penev
> > > > <lyubo.penev at gmail.com<mailto:lyubo.penev at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Stephen,
> > > > No offense at all, but I really try to separate the meaning and
> > > > mission of the open access model from its various
> (mis)interpretations
> > > > and (mis)uses. The increasing number of articles is not due to the
> > > > appearance of open access as a model. It is not the publishers - you
> > > > say they like to publish more and earn more (electric companies also
> > > > like to do that by expanding their networks and volumes) - who are
> the
> > > > reason for the ever growing number of articles. It is the scholarly
> > > > evaluation system that forces researchers to publish more and more in
> > > > "high" impact journals. Publishers use that to "sell" the "high"
> > > > impact to researchers through their journals, independently of that
> > > > are these open access, subscription-based or of various mixed models
> > > > currently in place.
> > > > You can't blame publishers for doing business just as you can't blame
> > > > your local shop for doing business through delivering goods to you.
> > > > The greediness in business, however, should be blamed, I agree.
> > > > As said, the best solution is the gold open access model supported by
> > > > institutions, societies or sponsors. The model is normally limited in
> > > > volume per year, because the institutions cannot budget unpredictably
> > > > and exponentially growing numbers of articles. As an example, more
> > > > than half of the some 30 biodiversity journals in our own portfolio
> > > > are free to read and free to publish. What bad in that the authors to
> > > > have the choice where to publish?
> > > > Best,Lyubo
> > > >
> > > > -----Lyubomir Penev
> > > > ORCID:
> >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 11:15?AM Stephen Thorpe
> > > > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Lyubo,Open Access is a big can of worms. You can claim that it
> > > > makes scientific outputs more accessible to readers and indeed it
> > > > does, but that just hides the "dark side". The main problem is that
> > > > the vast majority of published scientific articles are of little or
> no
> > > > relevance to most readers, but, collectively, there are a vast number
> > > > of such low interest articles, so much that the combined OA fees
> > > > subtract significantly from available research funding. Therefore, in
> > > > actual fact, the general reader just gets free access to a vast
> number
> > > > of articles that hardly anybody has any reason to read and the cost
> is
> > > > less funding for actual research. The few readers who do have reason
> > > > to read the average low interest paper can, most of the time, read
> > > > them anyway via institutional subscriptions, subscriptions which have
> > > > not been abandoned in the OA era (partly because OA is patchy rather
> > > > than universal). So, many millions of dollars of research funding is
> > > > being diverted to making low interest articles freely readable to a
> > > > mere handful of potential readers! Sound like a good idea to you?
> > > > Probably does, because you, as a publisher, get guaranteed revenue
> > > > from each article published, even if nobody at all wants to read it!
> > > > Hence, I have to doubt whether your views on the subject of OA can
> > > > plausibly be taken as being unbiased! No offence intended, I'm just
> > > > saying it as it is!Cheers, Stephen
> > > >   On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 07:57:10 pm NZST, Lyubomir Penev
> > > > <lyubo.penev at gmail.com<mailto:lyubo.penev at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Calling open access "Scam" sounds to me like blaming a religious
> > > > system, sincerely preaching equality and love between people, for the
> > > > actions of its followers, for example in politics (e.g. religious
> > > > wars) or business (e.g. services around pilgrimage). The story of
> > > > Journal of Biogeography isn't a rant against open access as a model
> > > > but against excessive article processing charges and monopolization
> > > > (or oligopolization) of the model.
> > > > It is about inequality and double standards in human societies, not
> > > > about the publishing model itself.
> > > > So far I am aware about cases of boycotting high APC-based open
> access
> > > > journals, however I've never heard about boycotting (=not reading,
> not
> > > > citing) open access papers, even those published in most expensive
> > > > journals. It is fully understandable that authors do not like to be
> > > > charged for publishing, but I think they also do not like to be
> > > > charged for, say, EURO 38.95 to access a paper published some 20
> years
> > > > ago.
> > > > Open access was intended to provide equal access to scientific
> > > > information to all and it did that. The price of it was to create the
> > > > opposite source of inequality between people who can pay the APC and
> > > > those who can't.
> > > > The solution is probably to be found somewhere in-between as it often
> > > > happens: a co-existence of various publishing models for the authors
> > > > and communities to choose from and support to
> > > > free-to-read-free-to-publish open access (meaning paid by
> > > > institutions, societies or third parties) or low cost open access
> > > > based on affordable and fair APCs.
> > > > Best regards,Lyubomir
> > > > -----Lyubomir Penev
> > > > ORCID:
> >
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> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:54?AM John Grehan via Taxacom
> > > > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "  can't believe it has taken you guys so long to react to the Open
> > > Access
> > > > Scam" Stephen - who are 'you guys'? I am not aware of anyone having
> > their
> > > > head in the sand over this issue.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 6:35?PM Stephen Thorpe
> > > > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can't believe it has taken you guys so long to react to the Open
> > Access
> > > > Scam, which I have posted about here on Taxacom for years! There are
> > two
> > > > main factors involved. You have touched on the one to do with impact
> > > > factor. Trying to include taxonomy into the broad area of impact
> factor
> > > > metrics is entirely inappropriate. It leads to all sorts of problems,
> > > such
> > > > as naming species after celebrities so as to generate publicity. The
> > > > reality is that very few readers will be immediately interested in
> any
> > > one
> > > > taxonomic article, but it is nevertheless a very valuable part of a
> > much
> > > > larger whole. You can build a very interesting house out of bricks,
> > > > despite
> > > > the fact that each individual brick is of low interest to anyone!
> > > >
> > > > The other factor with Open Access is to do with the strategic
> spending
> > of
> > > > external funding, by corporate research entities. Remember that they
> > are
> > > > spending other people's money, if it is external funding and the
> > > economics
> > > > of spending other people's money is very different to the economics
> of
> > > > spending one's own money. I can elaborate if anyone is interested.
> > > >
> > > > Stephen
> > > > On Tuesday, 1 August 2023 at 09:19:34 am NZST, John Grehan via
> Taxacom
> > <
> > > > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I will back up Lynn's comments, especially with respect to ZooNova
> > > > (excellent outlet). I have also seen how 'newsletters' of some
> > > > organizations (NZ Ent Soc, Lepidopterist Society) generate
> > 'publications'
> > > > that are just as good as any commercial product, and yet cost
> author's
> > > > nothing. Sadly, I have at least one colleague with whom I collaborate
> > ask
> > > > that we publish co-authored papers in journals with 'high' indices
> > > because
> > > > that is required of the 'employer' to help keep their job. It's a
> > racket
> > > > for sure.
> > > >
> > > > John Grehan
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 4:52?PM Lynn Raw via Taxacom
> > > > <taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In the article they say that quality publishing is expensive. That is
> > > > only
> > > > the case with paper publishing. Open Access is by its very nature an
> > > > online
> > > > only digital format far less expensive to provide than the older
> print
> > > > journals and with no extra costs for colour. It seems the whole
> process
> > > > of
> > > > using citation and other indices rather than the actual quality of
> the
> > > > content is a commercial profit driven hoax promoted by the publishers
> > for
> > > > the benefit of their executives and shareholders. It also gives
> > > > university
> > > > administrators numbers that they can understand whether or not they
> > have
> > > > any idea of the content. Even the highly esteemed Nature sometimes
> > > > publishes suspect papers. Open access is the ideal low cost
> publishing
> > > > system for societies as the only cost lies in the website maintenance
> > and
> > > > development, web server operation and maintenance of the domain
> > > > registration.
> > > > At the moment I am running a small scale OA journal at NO COST to the
> > > > authors so the model can operate with the right support and
> volunteers
> > > > whatever argument is given against it. Obviously it is not a
> commercial
> > > > for
> > > > profit model but it is something that can meet a need for both
> authors
> > > > and
> > > > users of scientific articles.
> > > >
> > > > Lynn Raw
> > > > Independent Researcher & Editor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 31 Jul 2023, at 21.15, Michael Heads via Taxacom <
> > > > taxacom at lists.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at lists.ku.edu>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've criticised the new 'Open Access' publishing model for journals
> as
> > > > a
> > > > scam, and here's a new article in J. Biogeogr. against it (note that
> it
> > > > doesn't mention publishing scientists who are amateur or retired):
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > > 'Shifts to open access with high article processing charges hinder
> > > > research
> > > > equity and careers'
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> > > > --
> > > > Dunedin, New Zealand.
> > > >
> > > > My books:
> > > >
> > > > *Biogeography and evolution in New Zealand. *Taylor and Francis/CRC,
> > > > Boca
> > > > Raton FL. 2017.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Biogeography of Australasia:  A molecular analysis*. Cambridge
> > > > University
> > > > Press, Cambridge. 2014.
> >
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> > > >
> > > > *Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. *University of California
> > > > Press,
> > > > Berkeley. 2012.
> >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Panbiogeography: Tracking the history of life*. Oxford University
> > > > Press,
> > > > New York. 1999. (With R. Craw and J. Grehan).
> > > >
> >
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> > > >
> > > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
> > for
> > > > about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > (use the 'visit archived web site'
> > > > link, then the 'Ghost Moth Research page' link.
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
> > > > for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > Send Taxacom mailing list submissions to:
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> > > >
> > > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
> > > > for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Torbj?rn Tyler, Ph.D,
> > > >
> > > > ? Curator at herbarium LD.
> > > > ? Editor in Chief of Nordic Journal of Botany.
> > > >
> > > > ? Responsible for the project The Hieracia of Sweden.
> > > >
> > > > Postal address:
> > > > Botanical Museum
> > > > Box 117
> > > > SE-221 00 Lund
> > > >
> > > > Address for parcels and visitors:
> > > > ArkivCentrum Syd
> > > > Porfyrv?gen 20
> > > > SE-224 78 Lund
> > > >
> > > > tel. +46 (0)46-222 42 34 (automatically re-directing to my mobile)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > e-mail: torbjorn.tyler[at]biol.lu.se<
> >
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> > >
> > > >
> > > > Private address: Enningerv?gen 12, SE-243 31 H??r (=Hoeoer), Sweden
> > > > ___________________________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Torbj?rn Tyler, Ph.D,
> > > >
> > > > ? Curator at herbarium LD.
> > > > ? Editor in Chief of Nordic Journal of Botany.
> > > >
> > > > ? Responsible for the project The Hieracia of Sweden.
> > > >
> > > > Postal address:
> > > > Botanical Museum
> > > > Box 117
> > > > SE-221 00 Lund
> > > >
> > > > Address for parcels and visitors:
> > > > ArkivCentrum Syd
> > > > Porfyrv?gen 20
> > > > SE-224 78 Lund
> > > >
> > > > tel. +46 (0)46-222 42 34 (automatically re-directing to my mobile)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > e-mail: torbjorn.tyler[at]biol.lu.se<
> >
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> > >
> > > >
> > > > Private address: Enningerv?gen 12, SE-243 31 H??r (=Hoeoer), Sweden
> > > >
> > > > ___________________________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> > > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
> > > > for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> >
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> > > >
> > > > Nurturing nuance while assailing ambiguity and admiring alliteration
> > > > for about 36 years, 1987-2023.
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Torbj?rn Tyler, Ph.D,
> > > >
> > > > ? Curator at herbarium LD.
> > > > ? Editor in Chief of Nordic Journal of Botany.
> > > >
> > > > ? Responsible for the project The Hieracia of Sweden.
> > > >
> > > > Postal address:
> > > > Botanical Museum
> > > > Box 117
> > > > SE-221 00 Lund
> > > >
> > > > Address for parcels and visitors:
> > > > ArkivCentrum Syd
> > > > Porfyrv?gen 20
> > > > SE-224 78 Lund
> > > >
> > > > tel. +46 (0)46-222 42 34 (automatically re-directing to my mobile)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > e-mail: torbjorn.tyler[at]biol.lu.se<
> >
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> > >
> > > >
> > > > Private address: Enningerv?gen 12, SE-243 31 H??r (=Hoeoer), Sweden
> > > > ___________________________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > > > Send Taxacom mailing list submissions to: taxacom at lists.ku.edu
> > > > For list information; to subscribe or unsubscribe, visit:
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