Taxacom: Seeking advice RE higher taxon names to use for 2 groups of fossil plants

[Tony Rees]

By the way, I only have access to Doweld's 2001 work "Prosyllabus
Tracheophytorum: Tentamen Systematis Plantarum ..." via Google books
snippet view, e.g.

https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com.au%2Fbooks%2Fedition%2FProsyllabus_Tracheophytorum%2FEyAlAQAAMAAJ%3Fhl%3Den%26gbpv%3D1%26bsq%3DLangiophytopsida%26dq%3DLangiophytopsida%26printsec%3Dfrontcover&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C50c883912acc4799088f08da2dfe05ff%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637872866284800198%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cVL9jR3moGoVDWQ9cHl9c4bhwBRl4%2BHM63H2NcjuUHk%3D&reserved=0

I was wondering whether there are any footnotes or similar on the relevant
page (page I) that would explain his choice of terminology in this
instance. If anyone has access to the full page(s) of interest, maybe they
could check further, and/or supply me with a scan of the page/s where
Langiophytopsida (etc.) are dealt with?

Thanks in advance - Tony


On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 16:37, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Well, I have to come down one way or the other regarding the 2 issues I
> set out in the original post.
>
> 1: Regarding (e.g.) order Cycadeoidales Berry, 1916 vs. order
> Bennettitales, since Cycadeoidea is a genus name in current use and also
> now a nom. cons., while Bennettites has been consigned to synonymy since
> 1917, it does seem that the use of names based on Cycadeoidea are probably
> preferable, so I will go that way (in fact stay that way, since I went down
> that route a couple of years back in my data system, however needed some
> confidence that this was a good choice.
>
> 2: Regarding (e.g.) order Langiophytales Doweld vs. order Horneophytales,
> the situation is less clear cut. Doweld, 2001 (Prosyllabus Tracheophytorum:
> Tentamen Systematis Plantarum) established the new names Phylum
> Langiophytophyta, Classis Langiophytopsida, Ordo Langiophytales and Fam.
> Langiophytaceae, while noting that older names existed for the same
> concepts at these ranks (except phylum), notably class Horneophytidae
> Němejc, 1963 / Horneophytopsida S. V. Meyen, 1978, order Horneophytales
> Novák, 1961 and family Horneophytaceae Darrah, 1960 ...  [other sources
> give Němejc 1960, or Kenrick & Crane, 1997 as authorship for this family].
>
> Doweld's names have been picked up as names of choice in 3 significant
> other compendia notably Tropicos (2022 version), "A Classification of the
> Bryobiotina" Edited by John C. Brinda and John J. Atwood, Draft version, 28
> Apr 2022 (https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bryonames.org%2Fnomenclator&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C50c883912acc4799088f08da2dfe05ff%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637872866284800198%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=U1e3KE8YY%2B5kIxpUZICP3P6%2B0G1WxqhBw9UNVnwrDjM%3D&reserved=0), as well as Novikoff, A.
> & Barabasz-Krasny, B. (2015) System of Embryophytes. In: Novikoff, A. &
> Barabasz-Krasny, B. Modern Plant Systematics. Liga-Pres, Lviv, Ukraine, pp.
> 23–63. However, in Google Scholar there are currently zero hits
> for Langiophytophyta / -opsida / -ales / -aceae (actually there is 1 for
> Langiophytophyta, for a paper of mine, in which I stated that I had chosen
> not to use it...), whereas there are "some" for Horneophyta
> (9), Horneophytopsida (51), Horneophytales (4) and Horneophytaceae (8).
>
> In my last iterations of my data compendium (I am preparing the next one
> now, hence the context for this message) I used Horneophytopsida (etc.)
> since they appeared to me to be the earliest published names, however I am
> at least partly swayed by the choice of Tropicos, https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bryonames.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Ctaxacom%40lists.ku.edu%7C50c883912acc4799088f08da2dfe05ff%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637872866284800198%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EQvkVzuXFcrjMLea5szTPVLbfyrgfU0t4jqevANR7Rc%3D&reserved=0, and
> Novikoff & Barabasz-Krasny to follow A.B. Doweld's naming system...
>
> Any further advice out there in the land of plant taxonomy before I make a
> "2022 edition" call on this one?
>
> Regards - Tony
>
> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
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