Taxacom: Taxacom Genus name question

Sat Jan 22 10:49:48 CST 2022

It beats 'Your Lordship'. PS - I forgot to credit John Turner (UK
entomologist and ghost moth collaborator) for raising this issue with me
and permitting posting of his comments). Cheers, John

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 10:34 AM Beach, James H. via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

> So that is what this spurt was all about!  Pretty clever.
>
> Jim
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> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022, 12:22 AM
> To: Stephen Thorpe
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> Subject: Re: Taxacom: Taxacom| Genus name question
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> Ha ha! From now on just call me 'Your Magnificence'. :)
>
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 1:05 AM Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> >
> wrote:
>
> > A magnificent result, John (or perhaps a result exhibiting magnificence!)
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 06:25:14 pm NZDT, John Grehan <
> > calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Amending my initial comment - after going over all the commentary in more
> > detail I realize that there was indeed consensus about the validity of
> > Magnificus. Disagreements were over associated issues. After having
> already
> > published a revision of Magnificus I am very happy that there is no need
> to
> > change the name!
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 12:02 AM John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > My appreciation to Scott, Stephen, and everyone else who provided input
> on
> > this question. I feel a lot happier that there was pretty much consensus,
> > or almost so, for accepting Magnificus as valid. Very glad that there is
> no
> > imperative to change it. Sometimes tability is a good thing.
> >
> > Cheers, John
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 4:38 PM Scott Thomson <
> scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Yes I agree with Stephen here, treated as a noun does not have to be one,
> > I am no fan of destroying names over some poor grammar, if everything
> else
> > is fine with the name it should not matter it's usable.
> >
> > Cheers Scott
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 6:32 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 11.8. Genus-group names
> >
> > A genus-group name (see also Article 10.3) must be a word of two or more
> > letters and must be, or be treated as, a noun in the nominative singular.
> > TREATED AS
> >     On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:11:11 am NZDT, John Grehan via
> > Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> >  I would be interested to have input on judging the validity of the name
> > 'Magnificus' which was proposed by a Chinese worker back in 2000 for a
> > genus of Hepialidae. The author made no reference to the basis of the
> name
> > (although the moths are quite nice looking and so perhaps it is an
> allusion
> > to this aspect).
> >
> > Under current rules, is the name valid? I had a colleague make the
> > following comments:
> >
> > "The problem seems to centre on the use by taxonomists of eighteenth
> > century "modern" Latin, as used for learned discourse, all a bit mixed up
> > with medieval liturgical Latin from the Roman church.
> >
> > In these branches of Latin it seems likely that as in classical Latin,
> > magnficus is not a noun.
> >
> > So I can see two "legal" positions, from the ICZN point of view.
> >
> > Generic names must be nouns. Magnificus is not by any stretch of
> > imagination a noun. As a generic name it is therefore invalid.
> > Magnificus has appeared in the lit as a generic name. As generic names
> are
> > nouns, this act has by definition converted Magnificus into a noun for
> > taxonomic usages.
> >
> > If this ([2]) sounds a bit stretched, consider that many generic names
> are
> > purely artificial. They were not nouns or anything until they appeared in
> > the biological literature. So I could make up a name like Rumblustumblus
> > (Rumble us, tumble us). It's hard to maintain that it's not a generic
> name:
> > for biological purposes it's now a noun!
> >
> > The literature is full of prank names, most of them of course specific.
> In
> > fact various kinds of pranking go all the way back to Linnaeus)."
> >
> > I hope (wish) to get sufficient clarity to determine if it is absolutely
> > necessary to replace the Magnificus' name or not.
> >
> > Also, why was the rule made that the original word used for a genus have
> to
> > be a noun? In that respect there is a  name 'Viridigigas" but neither
> green
> > or giant are nouns as such. But what do I know?
> >
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