Taxacom: Taxacom| Genus name question

Sat Jan 22 00:20:42 CST 2022

Ha ha! From now on just call me 'Your Magnificence'. :)

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 1:05 AM Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:

> A magnificent result, John (or perhaps a result exhibiting magnificence!)
> Stephen
>
> On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 06:25:14 pm NZDT, John Grehan <
> calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Amending my initial comment - after going over all the commentary in more
> detail I realize that there was indeed consensus about the validity of
> Magnificus. Disagreements were over associated issues. After having already
> published a revision of Magnificus I am very happy that there is no need to
> change the name!
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 12:02 AM John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> My appreciation to Scott, Stephen, and everyone else who provided input on
> this question. I feel a lot happier that there was pretty much consensus,
> or almost so, for accepting Magnificus as valid. Very glad that there is no
> imperative to change it. Sometimes tability is a good thing.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 4:38 PM Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yes I agree with Stephen here, treated as a noun does not have to be one,
> I am no fan of destroying names over some poor grammar, if everything else
> is fine with the name it should not matter it's usable.
>
> Cheers Scott
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 6:32 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>
> 11.8. Genus-group names
>
> A genus-group name (see also Article 10.3) must be a word of two or more
> letters and must be, or be treated as, a noun in the nominative singular.
> TREATED AS
>     On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:11:11 am NZDT, John Grehan via
> Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>  I would be interested to have input on judging the validity of the name
> 'Magnificus' which was proposed by a Chinese worker back in 2000 for a
> genus of Hepialidae. The author made no reference to the basis of the name
> (although the moths are quite nice looking and so perhaps it is an allusion
> to this aspect).
>
> Under current rules, is the name valid? I had a colleague make the
> following comments:
>
> "The problem seems to centre on the use by taxonomists of eighteenth
> century "modern" Latin, as used for learned discourse, all a bit mixed up
> with medieval liturgical Latin from the Roman church.
>
> In these branches of Latin it seems likely that as in classical Latin,
> magnficus is not a noun.
>
> So I can see two "legal" positions, from the ICZN point of view.
>
> Generic names must be nouns. Magnificus is not by any stretch of
> imagination a noun. As a generic name it is therefore invalid.
> Magnificus has appeared in the lit as a generic name. As generic names are
> nouns, this act has by definition converted Magnificus into a noun for
> taxonomic usages.
>
> If this ([2]) sounds a bit stretched, consider that many generic names are
> purely artificial. They were not nouns or anything until they appeared in
> the biological literature. So I could make up a name like Rumblustumblus
> (Rumble us, tumble us). It's hard to maintain that it's not a generic name:
> for biological purposes it's now a noun!
>
> The literature is full of prank names, most of them of course specific.  In
> fact various kinds of pranking go all the way back to Linnaeus)."
>
> I hope (wish) to get sufficient clarity to determine if it is absolutely
> necessary to replace the Magnificus' name or not.
>
> Also, why was the rule made that the original word used for a genus have to
> be a noun? In that respect there is a  name 'Viridigigas" but neither green
> or giant are nouns as such. But what do I know?
>
> John Grehan
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