Taxacom: Taxacom| Genus name question

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Fri Jan 21 20:21:22 CST 2022 

 Opinions on particular cases are not to be used as precedents applicable more generally. Best to avoid use of "wrong", in favour of "I disagree'
    On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 03:01:11 pm NZDT, John Bruner <jbruner at ualberta.ca> wrote:  
 
 Wrong!  It must be a Latinized nominative singular noun. Lorenz Okenfuss, who published under the name Oken, published an Encyclopedia in 1816 in two parts which was declared off limits in Opinion 417 for taxonomic purposes because of his use of common names as scientific names. You can't use any name you feel like as a generic name. 
Hemming, F. 1956. Opinion 417. Rejection for nomenclatorial purposes of volume 3 (Zoologie) of the work by Lorenz Oken entitled Okens Lehrbuch der Naturgeschichte published in 1815– 1816. Opinions and declarations rendered by the International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature 14(Part 1):1–42.
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 3:29 PM Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

 It is a bit unclear what exactly you are agreeing with, but to be available, a word has to have been clearly intended as a generic name, rather than as a common name or descriptive adjective per se
    On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 11:15:39 am NZDT, John Bruner <jbruner at ualberta.ca> wrote:  
 
 Yes, I agree. An example in Ichthyology, the AFS/ASIH Fish Names Committee incorrectly accepted the German word Sander as the senior synonym for the genus Stizostedion (Walleye, Sauger, and European Pikeperch).  Stizostedion had been correctly in use for 183 years. To make Sander (an alternate German spelling of Zander Stizostedion lucioperca), a Latinized nominative singular noun, the correctly formed Latin noun would be Sandrus. In 1828, 8 years after the correctly formed Stizostedion was published in 1820 by Rafinesque, Stark (1828) published Sandrus. Sander had been published as a common name prior to 1820 (Bloch, 1785; Fischer, 1791, and Okenfuss (as Oken, 1817) but not as a Latinized name. 

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:58 PM Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

 This does illustrate the unfortunate tendency for people to try to rename taxa too glibly (though John Grehan did at least have the good sense to ask for clarification first). Renaming for nomenclatural reasons should only be an absolute last resort when the need for it is 100% clear. Stephen
    On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:51:57 am NZDT, John Bruner <jbruner at ualberta.ca> wrote:  
 
 Dear John Grehan:
     I agree with Scott. I would accept Magnificus. It is a nominative singular noun. Fourth declension or u-nouns end with -us, or if neuter, -ua in the nominative, and -uum in the genitive plural.
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:39 PM Scott Thomson via Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

Yes I agree with Stephen here, treated as a noun does not have to be one, I
am no fan of destroying names over some poor grammar, if everything else is
fine with the name it should not matter it's usable.

Cheers Scott

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 6:32 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

>
> 11.8. Genus-group names
>
> A genus-group name (see also Article 10.3) must be a word of two or more
> letters and must be, or be treated as, a noun in the nominative singular.
> TREATED AS
>     On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:11:11 am NZDT, John Grehan via
> Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>  I would be interested to have input on judging the validity of the name
> 'Magnificus' which was proposed by a Chinese worker back in 2000 for a
> genus of Hepialidae. The author made no reference to the basis of the name
> (although the moths are quite nice looking and so perhaps it is an allusion
> to this aspect).
>
> Under current rules, is the name valid? I had a colleague make the
> following comments:
>
> "The problem seems to centre on the use by taxonomists of eighteenth
> century "modern" Latin, as used for learned discourse, all a bit mixed up
> with medieval liturgical Latin from the Roman church.
>
> In these branches of Latin it seems likely that as in classical Latin,
> magnficus is not a noun.
>
> So I can see two "legal" positions, from the ICZN point of view.
>
> Generic names must be nouns. Magnificus is not by any stretch of
> imagination a noun. As a generic name it is therefore invalid.
> Magnificus has appeared in the lit as a generic name. As generic names are
> nouns, this act has by definition converted Magnificus into a noun for
> taxonomic usages.
>
> If this ([2]) sounds a bit stretched, consider that many generic names are
> purely artificial. They were not nouns or anything until they appeared in
> the biological literature. So I could make up a name like Rumblustumblus
> (Rumble us, tumble us). It's hard to maintain that it's not a generic name:
> for biological purposes it's now a noun!
>
> The literature is full of prank names, most of them of course specific.  In
> fact various kinds of pranking go all the way back to Linnaeus)."
>
> I hope (wish) to get sufficient clarity to determine if it is absolutely
> necessary to replace the Magnificus' name or not.
>
> Also, why was the rule made that the original word used for a genus have to
> be a noun? In that respect there is a  name 'Viridigigas" but neither green
> or giant are nouns as such. But what do I know?
>
> John Grehan
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