Taxacom: Taxacom| Genus name question
John Bruner
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Fri Jan 21 16:15:26 CST 2022
Yes, I agree. An example in Ichthyology, the AFS/ASIH Fish Names Committee
incorrectly accepted the German word Sander as the senior synonym for the
genus *Stizostedion *(Walleye, Sauger, and European Pikeperch). *Stizostedion
*had been correctly in use for 183 years. To make Sander (an alternate
German spelling of Zander *Stizostedion lucioperca*), a Latinized
nominative singular noun, the correctly formed Latin noun would be *Sandrus*.
In 1828, 8 years after the correctly formed *Stizostedion *was published in
1820 by Rafinesque, Stark (1828) published *Sandrus. *Sander had been
published as a common name prior to 1820 (Bloch, 1785; Fischer, 1791, and
Okenfuss (as Oken, 1817) but not as a Latinized name.
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:58 PM Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:
> This does illustrate the unfortunate tendency for people to try to rename
> taxa too glibly (though John Grehan did at least have the good sense to ask
> for clarification first). Renaming for nomenclatural reasons should only be
> an absolute last resort when the need for it is 100% clear. Stephen
>
> On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:51:57 am NZDT, John Bruner <
> jbruner at ualberta.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Dear John Grehan:
>
> I agree with Scott. I would accept *Magnificus. *It is a nominative
> singular noun. *Fourth declension *or u-nouns end with
> -*us*, or if neuter, *-ua* in the nominative, and *-uum* in the genitive
> plural.
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 2:39 PM Scott Thomson via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> Yes I agree with Stephen here, treated as a noun does not have to be one, I
> am no fan of destroying names over some poor grammar, if everything else is
> fine with the name it should not matter it's usable.
>
> Cheers Scott
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 6:32 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > 11.8. Genus-group names
> >
> > A genus-group name (see also Article 10.3) must be a word of two or more
> > letters and must be, or be treated as, a noun in the nominative singular.
> > TREATED AS
> > On Saturday, 22 January 2022, 10:11:11 am NZDT, John Grehan via
> > Taxacom <taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > I would be interested to have input on judging the validity of the name
> > 'Magnificus' which was proposed by a Chinese worker back in 2000 for a
> > genus of Hepialidae. The author made no reference to the basis of the
> name
> > (although the moths are quite nice looking and so perhaps it is an
> allusion
> > to this aspect).
> >
> > Under current rules, is the name valid? I had a colleague make the
> > following comments:
> >
> > "The problem seems to centre on the use by taxonomists of eighteenth
> > century "modern" Latin, as used for learned discourse, all a bit mixed up
> > with medieval liturgical Latin from the Roman church.
> >
> > In these branches of Latin it seems likely that as in classical Latin,
> > magnficus is not a noun.
> >
> > So I can see two "legal" positions, from the ICZN point of view.
> >
> > Generic names must be nouns. Magnificus is not by any stretch of
> > imagination a noun. As a generic name it is therefore invalid.
> > Magnificus has appeared in the lit as a generic name. As generic names
> are
> > nouns, this act has by definition converted Magnificus into a noun for
> > taxonomic usages.
> >
> > If this ([2]) sounds a bit stretched, consider that many generic names
> are
> > purely artificial. They were not nouns or anything until they appeared in
> > the biological literature. So I could make up a name like Rumblustumblus
> > (Rumble us, tumble us). It's hard to maintain that it's not a generic
> name:
> > for biological purposes it's now a noun!
> >
> > The literature is full of prank names, most of them of course specific.
> In
> > fact various kinds of pranking go all the way back to Linnaeus)."
> >
> > I hope (wish) to get sufficient clarity to determine if it is absolutely
> > necessary to replace the Magnificus' name or not.
> >
> > Also, why was the rule made that the original word used for a genus have
> to
> > be a noun? In that respect there is a name 'Viridigigas" but neither
> green
> > or giant are nouns as such. But what do I know?
> >
> > John Grehan
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