Taxacom: Subspecies PROBABLY described

Thu Feb 24 06:02:33 CST 2022

Please do not overlook that "conditional" must be interpreted in the 
sense of the Glossary, not in the sense it has in other contexts in the 
common language.
Not a certain condition is needed, but stated reservations.

conditional, a.
(1) Of the proposal of a name or a type fixation: one made with stated 
reservations [Art. 15.1]. (2) Of the inclusion of a taxon in another 
taxon at a higher rank: made with stated reservations [Art. 51.3.3].

Best wishes
Francisco

Am 24.02.2022 um 08:38 schrieb David Redei via Taxacom:
> I understand "conditional" in a completely different way.
> 
> For me, "conditional" means to propose it if and only if under certain
> conditions prevail. Here is an example: "I have an unusual individual of
> X-us y-us Linnaeus, 1758; in case this individual will be considered as
> different at species level, I propose the name X-us z-us sp. nov. for it".
> Or there is a phylogeny and you propose new tribes for every branch
> conditionally: "in case this clade is viewed as merit of a tribal rank
> taxon, I call it X-ini trib. nov." This is certainly undesirable.
> 
> Saying that it is "probably" a new species, therefore I propose a name for
> it, should be, in my opinion, considered as valid. After all, any statement
> about new species is a hypothesis. Any of my species descriptions could
> include a sentence, "The specimen differs from X-us y-us in characters A, B
> and C, therefore it is reasonable to consider it as a new species [= it is
> probably a new species], therefore I propose the name X-us z-us sp. nov.
> for it". For me, this is not "conditional".
> 
> So the Code should require an explicit taxonomic act to be associated with
> the newly proposed name. In case of the "conditional" situation, there is
> no explicit act. If the author makes an explicit act, but expresses a
> certain level of doubt, it should not be regarded as a basis of regarding
> the act unavailable. Have you ever made any act in which your confidence
> reached a level of 100%? I never did in my life.
> 
> David Redei
> 
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> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 03:58, Douglas Yanega via Taxacom <
> taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:
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>> On 2/23/22 10:45 AM, Francisco Welter-Schultes via Taxacom wrote:
>>> Is "probably" conditional? The Code Glossary defines a "conditional
>>> proposal" as one with stated reservations. That should do it, for my
>>> feeling.
>>>
>> Specifically:
>>
>> *conditional*,/a/.
>>      (1) Of the proposal of a name or a type fixation: one made with
>>      stated reservations [Art. 15.1
>>      <
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>>> ].
>>
>> We would have to see the exact wording used, I think, but I'm inclined
>> to not accept names like this - I suppose if it's in a "gray area" it
>> might be best to just maintain the status quo; that is, if the name has
>> been universally accepted since its proposal, then treat it as
>> available, and if it has not been used as valid since its proposal, then
>> treat it as unavailable.
>>
>> Peace,
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