Taxacom: Tropicos and gender of names

[Michael Heads]

many languages (Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, French, German etc.) have
gender agreement - it's not inherently difficult or anomalous.   And it's
unfair to blame the Victorians!

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 5:11 PM Sharkey, Michael J. via Taxacom <
taxacom at lists.ku.edu> wrote:

> Does all of this discourse not make it obvious that gender agreement is a
> Victorian era remnant that has no place in modern, machine-read, names? We
> only need unique identifiers. Complete nonsense. Stick with the original
> spelling regardless.
>
> Michael Sharkey
> The Hymenoptera Institute
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> University of Kentucky
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> Subject: Re: Taxacom: Tropicos and gender of names
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> On 2/7/22 2:16 PM, Rafaël Govaerts wrote:
> > Dear Doug,
> > In Botany, the rule is that the original spelling should be maintained
> > unless it is against one of the articles.
> > So e.g.
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> > Zingiber tenuiscapus is not to be corrected to tenuiscapa as it is
> > correct as a noun.
> >
> > If a choice is possible, e.g. "nanus" in a masculine genus is
> > transferred to a feminine genus and if the author uses "nanus" then
> > that is not correctable as he treats it as a noun. Subsequent authors
> > must then follow that.
> > Unless of course in the original publication it clearly indicated as
> > an adjective.
>
> Apparently the Tropicos database does not follow this rule.
>
> Zingiber is treated there as neuter, and it does not list this species.
> It does, however, list both "didymoglossa" and "didymoglossum" under
> Zingiber, both citing the same author and date. There is also a
> "longiglande" which is grammatically impossible, and likewise would
> appear to be an automated algorithm changing all "-is" endings to "-e"
> even if they are genitive noun forms like "glandis".
>
> Again, I was making two points: (1) not all resources are trustworthy,
> nor do they yield consistent results (2) given this, we would do well to
> place the burden of gender agreement on authoritative nomenclatural
> registries, rather than individual taxonomists.
>
> >
> > There are many published books indicating the gender of genera,
> > perhaps the best known is
> >
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> This seems like precisely the sort of resource I am advocating for all
> organismal names. If all botanists agree to adhere to whatever it says
> in this source, *and* the names there are immune from being disputed and
> changed, then it is EXACTLY what I am advocating: an authoritative
> nomenclatural registry.
>
> Peace,
>
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