[Taxacom] Unnecessary new replacement name

[Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz]

Dear Tony,

Generalized example:
Genus *Cus* Author1, nomen novum
pro *Bus* Author2.
Type: *Bus cus* Author3, year

Solution: *Cus* is an "unnecessary new replacement name". Available but
invalid because of being a junior objective synonym of *Aus* and *Bus* via
the same type species.

Specific example:
Genus *Cus* Author1, nomen novum
pro "*Bus* Author2" auctorum
Type: *Bus cus* Author3, year

Solution: *Cus* is a nomen nudum. Unavailable because what was stated to be
replaced was a taxonomic concept of later authors and not the actual
generic name involved.

Basically Francisco agrees to my general example and I agree to his
specific example. The problem is that there is more context missing and we
should not present that context here because it would imply sharing the
actual paper. A partial clarification: I never found two different
taxonomic concepts of *Bus* in the paper that I am evaluating. That renders
*Bus* Author2 equal to *Bus auctorum* and includes Author 2 in the
auctorum. The line "pro..." alone was correctly interpreted by Francisco
but I found no ambiguity in the context of the whole paper. In my opinion,
the regrettably confusing use of quotation marks by Author1 signals the
invalidity of *Bus* Author2 since its inception (junior objective synonym
of *Aus* via the shared type species *Aus aus*), despite of pre-2000
"auctores" trying a cosmetic fix that is only possible now: typification of
*Bus* by the actual taxonomic species involved. Author1 highlighted the
invalidity of *Bus*, not a second and inexistent concept of *Bus*. That's
what I think.

Cheers,
Carlos

Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
FI-20014 University of Turku
Finland
Myriatrix <http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/>
ResearchGate profile
<https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz>
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El mié., 17 jun. 2020 a las 22:31, Tony Rees (<tonyrees49 at gmail.com>)
escribió:

> Hi Carlos,
>
> Hesitating to weigh in with so many other better qualified persons than
> myself around, but if I understand it correctly, Francisco was suggesting:
>
>  >> Genus *Cus* Author & Author,* nomen novum*
>   > > pro *Bus* Author.
>   > > Type: *Bus cus* Author, year
>
> > (Francisco:) I would cite this in this form:
>
> > Genus Cus Author1, nomen novum
> > pro "Bus Author2" auctorum
> > Type: Bus cus Author3, year
>
> If it were me, I would just put Genus Cus, Author & Author, nomen nudum
>
> with the rest in an explanatory note, i.e. "incorrectly proposed as a
> replacement name (actually a new genus) for a species of Bus not congeneric
> with the type of that genus, does not fulfil Code provision xyz which
> states...", or similar.
>
> With apologies if I have missed a place above where someone else has
> suggested the same.
>
> Regards - Tony
> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
> www.irmng.org
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 04:23, Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Richard Pyle for replying yesterday (I only receive the daily
>> digest).
>>
>> Dear Francisco,
>> Thank you for your extended support. Please note that I did not intend to
>> bring to Taxacom the specific case, but a fragment of the specific case
>> with generalized conditions to get a reply to the question "Would you
>> agree
>> with calling *Cus* "unnecessary new replacement name" for precision?". I
>> don't want to solve the specificities in Taxacom but to discuss what is
>> transferable to colleagues using the ZooCode.
>> As no one so far has raised concerns on the use of the expression
>> "unnecessary new replacement name" (given that all conditions are met) and
>> as you replied to my question with "It would have been a new replacement
>> name, and certainly unnecessary", I will use the proposed expression in
>> future cases which satisfy the premises of the generalized example.
>> I will be in touch about the details directly with you.
>> Thank you again and kind regards,
>> Carlos
>>
>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
>> FI-20014 University of Turku
>> Finland
>> Myriatrix <http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/>
>> ResearchGate profile
>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz>
>> Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/205802113162102/>
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