[Taxacom] Fwd: Zootaxa taken off of JCR

Wed Jul 8 09:57:08 CDT 2020

Dear Lyubomir,
Thank you for your reply. Looking forward to a private email on why the
cost of a one-page article, note, letter to the editor or whatever item in
ZooKeys is € 700.
Regards,
Carlos

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 16.43, Lyubomir Penev <lyubo.penev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Carlos,
>
> Why on Earth would you want to suggest a correction of an individual
> mistake in an individual article in a Letter to Editor (being it free or
> charging the Finnish taxpayers EURO 700 is not really the question)?
> Letters to Editor are used for major claims or comments on general journal
> policies, or intentional misconduct and so on. There are at least 4 ways to
> suggest correcting this mistake for free:
>
> 1. Select the text and annotate it via hypothes.is direct on the
> article page (free)
> 2. Post a comment or post-publication review through ARPHA, direct from
> the article page (free)
> 3. Contact the authors and suggest them to correct their own mistake
> through Erratum or Corrigendum (free plus gaining goodwill)
> 4. Posting a comment through social media (free, perhaps not gaining
> authors' goodwill in this case).
>
> Said that, I do not think we need to bother the taxacomers further
> with this discussion. I will be happy to look at your analyses on what
> journal publishing actually costs in a private email.
>
> Best regards,
> Lyubomir
>
>
>
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> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 3:51 PM Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz <
> biotemail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lyubomir,
>> Nice to hear from you. I have a one-page "letter to the editor" to
>> publish in ZooKeys, to correct one of the mistakes I found this year.
>> Nothing like giving the original journal the opportunity to publish the
>> fix! Unlike journals that publish letters to the editor for free, per
>> ZooKeys' policy it would cost me € 700 to publish this one page for fixing
>> the mistake. Would you call that "not expensive" and "sustainable"? Can the
>> policy be changed for the "letters to the editor"? Will I have to write an
>> exceptional "publish-for-free" request to you (as suggested by your staff)
>> every time that I have a "letter to the editor" to correct a mistake in
>> ZooKeys? Can the cost of one page really be € 700, even considering the
>> advanced technology of ARPHA?
>> Regards,
>> Carlos
>>
>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
>> FI-20014 University of Turku
>> Finland
>> Myriatrix <http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/>
>> ResearchGate profile
>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz>
>> Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/205802113162102/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> El mié., 8 jul. 2020 a las 14:24, Lyubomir Penev (<lyubo.penev at gmail.com>)
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Carlos,
>>>
>>> This is an old discussion, including on Taxacom, but as you mentioned
>>> ARPHA and Pensoft I feel I have to say something on that.
>>>
>>> "Proprietary", "commercial", or "private" do not necessarily mean
>>> "expensive", "bad" or "immoral". Even less would they mean "unsustainable".
>>> All we, who had the chance to live in a certain period of time in certain
>>> countries of this world, know by own, sometimes bitter experience that
>>> "community-owned infrastructures" and "free services" provided but these
>>> are not necessarily good (to say the least in many cases).
>>>
>>> I know you like to analyse and look into the matters at the finest
>>> possible detail. I admire that. Why then not compare what taxpayers pay on
>>> the average per published article in a "non-for-profit",
>>> "institution-based" journal and in a "commercial/proprietary" one? You
>>> should take different examples of both of course, but the objective
>>> approach would require to compare both the costs and the level/quality of
>>> services provided. You can also add some more criteria from the open
>>> science front, for example, how really open the published data is, or how
>>> much would it cost to the same poor taxpayers to liberate and re-use data
>>> from the plain PDF or structured XML? At the very end, "free", "diamond
>>> open access" journals are paid by taxpayers through institutional budgets
>>> just as the "commercial" open access journals are paid by the same
>>> taxpayers through APCs, aren't they?
>>>
>>> If the academic world wants to get rid of commercial publishing, and
>>> more-generally, of non-open-source platforms and infrastructures, then it
>>> should make one step more, I guess, by stopping using Google for example,
>>> or producing own sequencing machinery? Silly example, I know, but take it
>>> just as an illustration on how all this would logically look like at the
>>> end.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lyubomir
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Prof. Dr. Lyubomir Penev
>>> ORCID: http://orcid.org/0000-0002-2186-5033
>>> WoS ResearcherID: O-9982-2019
>>> <https://publons.com/researcher/324250/lyubomir-penev/>
>>> Founder and CEO
>>> Pensoft Publishers <http://pensoft.net>
>>> ARPHA Journal Publishing Platform <http://arphahub.com>
>>> 13a Geo Milev Street
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/13a+Geo+Milev+Street?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> 1111 Sofia, Bulgaria
>>> Tel +359-2-8704281
>>> Fax +359-2-8704282
>>> Publishing services for journals <http://arphahub.com/about/services> I
>>> Journals <http://journals.pensoft.net> I Books
>>> <http://pensoft.net/books-published-by-Pensoft>
>>> Services for scientific projects <http://pensoft.net/projects>
>>> Find us on: Facebook
>>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pensoft-Publishers/170816832934216?ref=ts>,
>>> Google+
>>> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/114819936210826038991/114819936210826038991/posts>,
>>> Twitter  <https://twitter.com/#%21/Pensoft>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom
>>> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Donat,
>>>> The International Union of Biological Sciences signed the Bouchout
>>>> Declaration but as far as I can see, it has not signed DORA. I guess
>>>> that
>>>> is the next step to get rid of the JIF in Taxonomy.
>>>>
>>>> In line with other points in your email, academic publishing needs to be
>>>> taken back to academia, be institutionally supported and be non-profit.
>>>> The
>>>> current for-profit, private publishing model is unsustainable. The
>>>> future
>>>> of Taxonomy journals is that of publicly-funded, non-profit academic
>>>> journals. The European Journal of Taxonomy and the journal Biodiversity
>>>> Informatics from Kansas University are good examples.
>>>> About the technology, Pensoft's ARPHA platform was developed to advance
>>>> open access, not open science. The platform is proprietary, so if we
>>>> want
>>>> that technology into publicly-funded, non-profit academic journals, we
>>>> need
>>>> to redevelop it again. We need it to be open source and free to use for
>>>> everyone. The best course of action is to do it integrated with the
>>>> PKP'S
>>>> Open Journal System, so that we can ensure fast implementation in
>>>> already
>>>> existing journals. Funding for co-creation is available from the
>>>> European
>>>> Open Science Cloud (
>>>>
>>>> https://www.eoscsecretariat.eu/news-opinion/eosc-secretariat%E2%80%99s-funding-opportunities-lets-co-create-now
>>>> ).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I guess we agree that technology is not the solution to misused
>>>> metrics. I hope that the taxacomers had time to digest the JIF logical
>>>> fallacy as I exposed it. The second part is that such fallacy-based
>>>> metric
>>>> was meant to evaluate journals, so that libraries could decide which
>>>> ones
>>>> they should buy or subscribe to. Therefore, the metric is two-times
>>>> inappropriate for evaluating researcher's performance. Amazing how the
>>>> JIF
>>>> and related decision-making systems have not crumbled with the weight of
>>>> their own failure, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Carlos
>>>>
>>>> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
>>>> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
>>>> FI-20014 University of Turku
>>>> Finland
>>>> Myriatrix <http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/>
>>>> ResearchGate profile
>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz>
>>>> Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/205802113162102/>
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Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
FI-20014 University of Turku
Finland
Myriatrix <http://myriatrix.myspecies.info/>
ResearchGate profile
<https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Carlos_Martinez-Munoz>
Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
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