[Taxacom] Type localities

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sat Dec 29 14:51:26 CST 2018


Les,
The situation you describe has nothing to do with type localities per se, just localities for the species which happen to be localities for the types. How do you know that the octocoral you found really is Verrill's species, particularly if there are disparities, as you suggest and attribute to inaccuracies by Verrill? Perhaps Verrill got it right and you have found something else??
"They can be portrayed as sacrosanct, especially to politicians, and thus helpful in preserving habitat"
True, but misrepresenting a situation in order to achieve something worthwhile is "dodgy", to say the least! "Any means to an end ..."
Stephen

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On Sun, 30/12/18, Les Watling <watling at hawaii.edu> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type localities
 To: "Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Sunday, 30 December, 2018, 9:41 AM
 
 Dear all,
 
 I agree completely with Elena
 Kupriyanova's last note to this list (I get
 the daily digest so its tough to sort
 one message out from the other). I
 also agree especially with her last
 point about how useful the type
 locality can be. Here is why:
 
 In 1883 A.E. Verrill described a small
 deep-sea octocoral, Lepidisis
 caryophyllia. He had three specimens
 that he attributed to this species,
 two were from off the US east coast in
 600 to 1200 fathoms of water,
 roughly. He gave lat. and long.
 coordinates that were obtained by the fish
 captains who had brought the specimens
 up on their lines. Obviously, these
 locations need to be treated with some
 caution since all navigation in
 those days were determined by sextant
 and timepiece. But the two localities
 cover many degrees of latitude,
 extending from off New Jersey to Georges
 Bank. So, we had figured we had a
 reasonable chance of recovering a new
 specimen of this species.
 
 Verrill's specimens were deposited in
 the MCZ at Harvard, with additional
 later specimens deposited at Yale
 Peabody Museum. The MCZ specimens were
 badly mishandled at some point in the
 past and not much remains of them
 (two small polyps) but the YPM
 specimens are in pretty good shape. So, even
 though the latter are not types we knew
 what we should look for. I might
 add that this species has not been
 collected since about 1890, so these
 museum specimens are all we have. And
 as Elena noted, they were not
 preserved well enough to give DNA
 information.
 
 In 2005 we were awarded a series of
 dives to document deep octocorals in
 canyons and on seamounts off Georges
 Bank, eastern USA. The first of those
 dives was conducted at the bottom of
 Gilbert Canyon, almost exactly on the
 coordinates and at the depth specified
 in Verrill's paper. Midway through
 the dive, a small octocoral,
 unbranched, was spotted growing on the muddy
 bottom. It was collected, and later in
 the lab was determined to be an
 exact match to the YPM specimens we
 knew Verrill had identified. So, now
 its DNA has been sequenced and the
 specimen is in the process of being
 redescribed using modern morphological
 methods. When this paper is at last
 published we will show that Verrill
 made a critical mistake in his
 description which has lead all
 octocoral taxonomists since to misidentify
 many other corals in this family.
 
 So, this is a case where the type
 locality information was very useful, in
 fact probably critical. Yes, there can
 be cases where the information is
 too general, or that a species at a
 particular locality can be part of what
 is later determined to be a complex.
 But I would wager that for the vast
 majority of species, the type locality
 can be a very helpful and useful
 piece of information and should not be
 so cavalierly dispensed with. Which
 also means, of course, that the type
 locality should be designated with
 care when describing new species. A
 common joke in the marine world is what
 to do when you find a new species in
 the flowing seawater tank at some
 marine lab.... obviously the tank
 cannot be the type locality, so it
 behooves the taxonomist to go on a hunt
 for the natural habitat, and so on.
 
 One last point, since I have my rant
 going.... type localities can be very
 useful in the conservation business.
 They can be portrayed as sacrosanct,
 especially to politicians, and thus
 helpful in preserving habitat. Which
 also suggests of course that they
 should be designated with care.
 
 Best,
 Les
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Les Watling
 Professor, Dept. of Biology
 216 Edmondson Hall
 University of Hawaii at Manoa
 Honolulu, HI 96822
 Ph. 808-956-8621
 Cell: 808-772-9563
 e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 >    1. Re: Type
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 >    2. Re: Type
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 >       (Elena
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 > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 16:12:22
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 > From: "Geoff Read" <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
 > To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 > Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
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 > Well Stephen, you'd probably need
 new rules to do that!
 >
 > Re-identifying goes on all the
 time.  If an ecologist is using the data of
 > previous records (now something
 else, although probably only a change
 > within a genus) for distributions,
 etc, it's up to them to keep abreast of
 > the status quo.  How do
 taxonomists usefully flag to ecologists there is
 > something changed about a
 well-known species that affects their work? I
 > don't know, beyond putting a
 comment about it in the abstract.
 >
 > Geoff
 >
 > On Fri, December 28, 2018 6:12 pm,
 Stephen Thorpe wrote:
 > > The bigger picture here is
 that, in cases where a name is found to refer
 > > to a complex of species, it
 would make far more sense to abandon such
 > > names entirely (except
 perhaps as a name for the whole "complex"), rather
 > > than using them from that
 point on as a name for just one species of the
 > > complex. My rationale for
 this is that such names refer to unreliable
 > > (i.e. mixed species)
 information up to the point when they are used for
 > > just one species in the
 complex. This means that someone wanting to find
 > > out information about the
 species will need to know exactly when the
 > sense
 > > of the name changed, and will
 have to know to disregard all information
 > > before that point in time. In
 practice, this is unlikely, so confusion
 > > will inevitably result with
 old unreliable information being quoted still
 > > for the species. However, we
 seem to be stuck with an antiquated system
 > of
 > > nomenclature which tends to
 obscure what is important in a mass of
 > > pointless nomenclatural
 details!
 > >
 > > Stephen
 > >
 > >
 --------------------------------------------
 > > On Fri, 28/12/18, Elena
 Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 > > wrote:
 > >
 > >  Subject: RE: [Taxacom]
 Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
 > >  To: "Stephen Thorpe"
 <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
 > > "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
 <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 > >  Received: Friday, 28
 December, 2018, 4:22 PM
 > >
 > >  Yes, of course,
 ultimately you
 > >  need to know the
 distributions of the species in the
 > >  complex. But to figure
 that out one has to start with the
 > >  distribution of the
 name bearing species of the complex and
 > >  to find what the name
 bearing species actually is one needs
 > >  to know the type
 locality
 > >
 > >
 > >  Dr. Elena Kupriyanova
 > >  Senior Research
 Scientist
 > >  Marine Invertebrates
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 > >  From: Stephen Thorpe
 [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
 > >  Sent: Friday, 28
 December 2018 1:21 PM
 > >  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
 > >  Elena Kupriyanova
 <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 > >  Subject: Re: [Taxacom]
 Type localities (was:
 > >  Bionomina 13
 published)
 > >
 > >  Not
 > >  quite! The type
 localities per se still aren't important
 > >  in the situation you
 describe. What matters is the
 > >  distributions of the
 segregate species in the complex.
 > >
 > >  Stephen
 > >
 > > 
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 > >  On Fri, 28/12/18, Elena
 Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 > >  wrote:
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 > >   Subject: Re:
 > >  [Taxacom] Type
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 > >   > to answer your
 > >  question, I wouldn't
 > >   think type
 > >  localities would be of
 much importance at all for  a
 > >  common, widespread
 uniform species.
 > >
 > >   Oh, really? Except for
 the most common
 > >   situation in
 shallow-water marine
 > >  invertebrates. Once
 one  actually bothers to look more or
 > >  less carefully at
 this  "common, widespread uniform
 > >  species" and discovers
 a huge  species complex beyond
 > >  the façade of this
 "common" or evenÂ
 > >  "cosmopolitan species",
 the importance of the
 > >  type  localities
 somehow becomes crystal clear.
 > >
 > >
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 > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 11:07:23
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 > From: Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 > To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
 >         "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
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 > From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
 > Sent: Friday, 28 December 2018
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 > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
 Elena Kupriyanova <
 > Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 > Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Type
 localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
 >
 > "to find what the name bearing
 species actually is one needs to know the
 > type locality"
 >
 > >I disagree! One simply needs
 some way to associate the name with one and
 > only one species in the complex.
 Very often, type localities are too vague
 > to be much use, might be
 completely wrong, or there might be more than one
 > species of the complex in the
 stated type locality (especially if it is a
 > vague/imprecise type locality).
 >
 > Yes, and what is the above
 mentioned "some way" please?
 >
 > > I expect you are imagining a
 scenario in which, say, some previously
 > recognised species is now
 considered to be a complex of ALLOPATRIC cryptic
 > species
 >
 > Not necessarily. I think I clearly
 stated the scenario I am not imagining,
 > but am familiar with too well - a
 huge species complex under a name of a
 > species that is assumed to be
 cosmopolitan for a no good reason other than
 > it  is assumed to be
 cosmopolitan
 >
 > >and you want to know which of
 those cryptic species the original name
 > belongs to.
 >
 > Yes, don't we all?
 >
 > >The type locality MIGHT be a
 guide (if it is correct, and if it is
 > precise enough), but it might not
 be of any use.
 >
 > It is the best guide we have, but
 it MIGHT in some cases be incorrect or
 > not precise enough indeed
 >
 > >If it isn't of any use, then
 other means must be sought to associate the
 > name with a species, and there are
 several options.
 >
 > Ok, continue please, I really want
 to know about those options
 >
 > > In theory, if you could
 sequence the holotype, then DNA matching might
 > do the trick.
 >
 > In theory? Have you tried this
 approach? Yes, if it exists and if it was
 > not fixed in formalin as most
 marine inverts used to be fixed, this the
 > best way.
 >
 > >At any rate, type localities
 are not of any major importance: they may be
 > helpful, but they may not. That's
 all I'm saying (in the context of people
 > like Alain Dubious giving them far
 too much attention, IMHO)
 >
 > I cannot see where this (surely
 unexpected :) conclusion comes from. If
 > the holotype does not exist, you
 collect fresh material as close as
 > possible to the TYPE LOCALITY,
 designate a neotype, describe and sequence
 > it. If the holotype exists, but
 cannot be sequenced, you collect fresh
 > material as close as possible to
 the TYPE LOCALITY, re-descibe the species
 > based on the type and the fresh
 material and sequence the fresh topotypical
 > material. If the type locality is
 not precise enough, you make an educated
 > guess and see above. If you
 discover several cryptic sympatric species the
 > type locality, you take your pick
 which one you consider as the name
 > bearing species for the complex.
 In all cases type locality is of paramount
 > importance. I am now looking
 forward to hearing about other several options
 > mentioned above
 >
 > Best,
 > Lena
 >
 >
 >
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 > On Fri, 28/12/18, Elena
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 > wrote:
 >
 >  Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Type
 localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
 >  To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
 "
 > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
 <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >  Received: Friday, 28
 December, 2018, 4:22 PM
 >
 >  Yes, of course, ultimately
 you
 >  need to know the
 distributions of the species in the  complex. But to
 > figure that out one has to start
 with the  distribution of the name bearing
 > species of the complex and 
 to find what the name bearing species actually
 > is one needs  to know the
 type locality
 >
 >
 >  Dr. Elena Kupriyanova
 >  Senior Research Scientist
 >  Marine Invertebrates
 >
 >  Associate Editor,
 >  Records of
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 >  -----Original Message-----
 >  From: Stephen Thorpe
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 >  Sent: Friday, 28 December
 2018 1:21 PM
 >  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
 >  Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 >  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type
 localities (was:
 >  Bionomina 13 published)
 >
 >  Not
 >  quite! The type localities
 per se still aren't important  in the
 > situation you describe. What
 matters is the  distributions of the segregate
 > species in the complex.
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 >  Stephen
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 > 
 --------------------------------------------
 >  On Fri, 28/12/18, Elena
 Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 >  wrote:
 >
 >   Subject: Re:
 >  [Taxacom] Type localities
 (was: Bionomina 13 published)
 >   To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
 >  <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >   Received: Friday, 28
 December, 2018, 3:15  PM
 >
 >   > to answer your
 >  question, I wouldn't
 >   think type
 >  localities would be of much
 importance at all for  a  common, widespread
 > uniform species.
 >
 >   Oh, really? Except for the
 most common
 >   situation in shallow-water
 marine
 >  invertebrates. Once
 one  actually bothers to look more or  less
 carefully
 > at this  "common, widespread
 uniform  species" and discovers a huge
 > species complex beyond  the
 façade of this "common" or even  "cosmopolitan
 > species", the importance of
 the  type  localities somehow becomes crystal
 > clear.
 >
 >
 >   Dr. Elena
 >  Kupriyanova
 >   Senior Research Scientist
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 >   Associate Editor,
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