[Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)

Thu Dec 27 22:06:34 CST 2018

"to find what the name bearing species actually is one needs to know the type locality"

I disagree! One simply needs some way to associate the name with one and only one species in the complex. Very often, type localities are too vague to be much use, might be completely wrong, or there might be more than one species of the complex in the stated type locality (especially if it is a vague/imprecise type locality).

I expect you are imagining a scenario in which, say, some previously recognised species is now considered to be a complex of ALLOPATRIC cryptic species and you want to know which of those cryptic species the original name belongs to. The type locality MIGHT be a guide (if it is correct, and if it is precise enough), but it might not be of any use. If it isn't of any use, then other means must be sought to associate the name with a species, and there are several options. In theory, if you could sequence the holotype, then DNA matching might do the trick. At any rate, type localities are not of any major importance: they may be helpful, but they may not. That's all I'm saying (in the context of people like Alain Dubious giving them far too much attention, IMHO)

Stephen

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On Fri, 28/12/18, Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
 To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Friday, 28 December, 2018, 4:22 PM

 Yes, of course, ultimately you
 need to know the distributions of the species in the
 complex. But to figure that out one has to start with the
 distribution of the name bearing species of the complex and
 to find what the name bearing species actually is one needs
 to know the type locality

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 -----Original Message-----
 From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
 Sent: Friday, 28 December 2018 1:21 PM
 To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
 Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type localities (was:
 Bionomina 13 published)

 Not
 quite! The type localities per se still aren't important
 in the situation you describe. What matters is the
 distributions of the segregate species in the complex.

 Stephen

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 On Fri, 28/12/18, Elena Kupriyanova <Elena.Kupriyanova at austmus.gov.au>
 wrote:

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 [Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
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  Received: Friday, 28 December, 2018, 3:15
 PM

  > to answer your
 question, I wouldn't
  think type
 localities would be of much importance at all for  a
 common, widespread uniform species.

  Oh, really? Except for the most common
  situation in shallow-water marine
 invertebrates. Once one  actually bothers to look more or
 less carefully at this  "common, widespread uniform
 species" and discovers a huge  species complex beyond
 the façade of this "common" or even 
 "cosmopolitan species", the importance of the
 type  localities somehow becomes crystal clear.

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 Kupriyanova
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  Marine Invertebrates

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