[Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
Geoff Read
gread at actrix.gen.nz
Thu Dec 27 17:51:48 CST 2018
A point type locality is the geographic data point where it is absolutely
certain a species occurs (or did occur). As such you can "do things with
it", say in a biogeographic analysis of a genus, whereas other records
will probably include misleading misidentifications. It's not
nomenclatural, or not just nomenclatural or taxonomic.
Geoff
On Fri, December 28, 2018 8:58 am, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> "Type localities are much more important (and to more researchers) when it
> comes to conservation or attempts to rediscover rare species"
>
> No, a nomenclatural concept like type locality is irrelevant to
> conservation or attempts to rediscover rare species. All you need for that
> are localities, not type localities per se. The only function of a type
> locality is to establish a link between name and species in cases where
> the holotype specimen and original description are both inadequate for
> that purpose, but it only works when there is one and only one candidate
> species present at the type locality. So, most of the time, type
> localities are irrelevant.
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 28/12/18, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13 published)
> To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "Stephen
> Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> Received: Friday, 28 December, 2018, 4:31 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Â Â Â Â Well that is why I said that reason was just a
> "bit more important". But if a type locality of
> a species or subspecies has something unusual in its
> environment, then it might not really be a separate taxon
> worthy of recognition. For instance, something
> in the soil might affect the coloration of the local
> population that might not be known to someone comparing
> specimens in a museum (probably more important in the past,
> but less so today if you can do molecular testing). Or if a
> reviser of subspecies sees
> that the type localities of two subspecies are fairly close
> together (rather than in more distant areas of their
> distributions), that might be an indication that more
> collecting is necessary to see if they should probably be
> merged into a single subspecies.Â
> But this would only be marginally important and probably
> just to that reviser.   Â
>
>      But that is just a minor quibble. Type
> localities are much more important (and to more researchers)
> when it comes to conservation or attempts to rediscover rare
> species. Â
>
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
> -------------------Ken
>
>
>
> From: Stephen Thorpe
> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:12 PM
>
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; Kenneth Kinman
>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Type localities (was:
> Bionomina 13 published)
> Â
>
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Surely your reason why type localities may be important for
> variable species is actually only a reason why distributions
> are important? The type locality itself just doesn't
> seem to me to be very useful, except if the description is
> inadequate and then only
> if there is one and only one candidate species present at
> the type locality (i.e. then we can link the name with a
> species, but not with certainty due to the theoretical
> possibility of sympatry of equal candidates).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> On Thu, 27/12/18, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Â Subject: [Taxacom] Type localities (was: Bionomina 13
> published)
>
> Â To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>
> Â Received: Thursday, 27 December, 2018, 3:36 PM
>
> Â
>
> Â Hi Stephen,
>
> Â Â Â
>
> Â Â Â I agree that some of this jargon is getting out of
> hand
>
>  (and not particularly useful). Anyway, to answer your
>
> Â question, I wouldn't think type localities would be
> of
>
> Â much importance at all for a common, widespread uniform
>
>  species. The type locality of the monarch butterfly
> was
>
>  just "America septentrionali". The type
> locality
>
> Â of the neotype is Kendall, New York, but who really
> cares
>
> Â (except perhaps a reviser looking at all the synonyms)?
>
> Â Â Â Â Â Type localities are bit more
>
> Â important for variable species (with lots of named
>
>  subspecies). And even more so for very uncommon or
> rare
>
>  species with restricted ranges. Not only for the
>
> Â conservation of endangered species, but for the
> rediscovery
>
> Â of species so rare that they have been considered
> extinct.Â
>
> Â However, in certain cases, publishing an exact type
> locality
>
> Â might be counter-productive, especially if specimens
> could
>
> Â be monetized (such as some rare vertebrates or dinosaur
>
>  bones). In those cases, an exact type locality should
>
> Â probably be on a "need to know" basis for
>
>  qualified collectors or conservationist scientists. In
> any
>
> Â case, I doubt that jargon like onymotopes, much less
>
> Â lectonymotopes, is very useful (and more likely to just
>
> Â cause confusion or consternation).
>
> Â Â Â Â
>
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â --------------------Ken
>
>  P.S. A type locality was perhaps (?) of some
>
> Â help in the rediscovery of Cicindela floridana:Â
> https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1692&context=insectamundi
>
> Â
>
> Â ________________________________
>
> Â From: Taxacom
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>
> Â on behalf of Stephen Thorpe
> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>
> Â Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:34 PM
>
> Â To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
>
> Â Alain Dubois
>
> Â Subject: Re: [Taxacom]
>
> Â Bionomina 13 published
>
> Â
>
> Â "Onymotopes in zoological nomenclature:
>
> Â some additional terms, with fixation of a lectonymotope
> for
>
> Â Xenopus petersii Bocage, 1895 (Amphibia, Anura)"
>
> Â
>
> Â The jargon is getting out of
>
> Â hand! The utility of type localities
>
> Â ("Onymotopes") only goes so far (and not very
>
> Â far)! A type locality is just a place where you can go
> to
>
> Â find typical specimens of a taxon (if they haven't
>
> Â subsequently gone extinct there!) It may help to
> establish
>
> Â the identity of a poorly described species, but it may
> not
>
> Â if there are sympatric congeners at the locality, all
> of
>
> Â which more or less agree with the description. The
>
> Â possibility of mislabelling means that stated type
>
> Â localities may be incorrect, and there may not be any way
> to
>
> Â discover the mislabelling.
>
> Â
>
> Â Granted that I haven't read the paper (it
>
> Â is paywalled, and I don't have access right now),
> but
>
> Â can someone please explain why type localities are
>
> Â important?
>
> Â
>
> Â Stephen
>
> Â
>
> Â --------------------------------------------
>
> Â On Thu, 27/12/18, Alain Dubois
> <adbionomina at gmail.com>
>
> Â wrote:
>
> Â
>
> Â Subject: [Taxacom]
>
> Â Bionomina 13 published
>
> Â To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>
> Â Received: Thursday, 27 December, 2018, 7:51
>
> Â AM
>
> Â
>
> Â taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>
> Â
>
> Â Dear Colleagues,
>
> Â
>
> Â This is to inform you of
>
> Â the
>
> Â publication of volume 13 of Bionomina
>
> Â by
>
> Â Magnolia Press. Here is the table of
>
> Â contents of this issue:
>
> Â
>
> Â 1â27
>
> Â Familial nomina in
>
> Â harvestmen
>
> Â (Arachnida, Opiliones)
>
> Â Adriano B. KURY
>
> Â
>
> Â 28â36
>
> Â Reflections on the
>
> Â growing use of
>
> Â sounds in systematics and
>
> Â synecology:
>
> Â why an acoustic signal cannot
>
> Â become an
>
> Â onomatophore
>
> Â
>
> Â Laure DESUTTER-GRANDCOLAS, Sylvain
>
> Â HUGEL,
>
> Â Sandra GOUTTE & Tony
>
> Â ROBILLARD
>
> Â
>
> Â 37â50
>
> Â
>
> Â Onymotopes in zoological nomenclature:
>
> Â some
>
> Â additional terms, with fixation
>
> Â of a
>
> Â lectonymotope for Xenopus petersii
>
> Â Bocage,
>
> Â 1895 (Amphibia,
>
> Â Anura)
>
> Â
>
>  Thierry FRÃTEY, Maël DEWYNTER &
>
> Â
>
> Â Annemarie OHLER
>
> Â
>
> Â 51â64
>
> Â The Relictus case: it is high time that
>
> Â taxonomists follow the Codeâs
>
> Â requirements for nomenclatural
>
> Â availability and validity of new zoological
>
> Â nomina
>
> Â Alain DUBOIS, Thierry
>
> Â FRÃTEY &
>
> Â Annemarie OHLER
>
> Â
>
> Â 65â68
>
> Â If
>
> Â you choose not to decide you still
>
> Â have
>
> Â made a choice
>
> Â Pedro H. PINNA, Daniel S.
>
> Â FERNANDES
>
> Â & Paulo PASSOS
>
> Â
>
> Â 69â73
>
> Â
>
> Â Natural history collecting and the
>
> Â
>
> Â arrogance of the modern Ark researcher
>
> Â
>
> Â Spartaco GIPPOLITI
>
> Â
>
> Â Best
>
> Â wishes and Season's Greetings,
>
> Â
>
> Â Alain
>
> Â
>
> Â ____________________________________
>
> Â
>
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>
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>
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>
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