[Taxacom] Granatina

[Tony Rees]

Hi Geoff,

You wrote:

> Another database still using Granatina granatina is the online 'Handbook
> of the Birds of the World'

>From my cursory inspection there is a difference between "still using" an
outdated name (nomenclaturally incorrect), versus using the later name to
circumscribe a subset of species from the original genus (nomenclaturally
permissible following genus splitting). The former may be an oversight or a
deliberate maintenance of an legacy name for reasons of prevailing usage,
while the latter should be based on some evidence in the published or
unpublished literature. Unfortunately in this case we do not currently have
the basis to tell which of these situations applies in this case...

Regards - Tony

Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
https://about.me/TonyRees

On 26 October 2017 at 13:44, Geoff Read <gread at actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> Genera are a little more tricky than species when resolving validity or
> just generally tracking.  There seems to be ample info on the species
> involved via BHL etc, and it might be a tad unrealistic Rod to expect 100%
> resolution/agreement in these matters without needing application of some
> taxonomic intelligence to what shows up.  At the birdwatcher level
> probably they don't take too much notice of an ongoing conflict in genera
> names between mega databases who (sadly & too frequently) may not provide
> any sources to support their name choices.
>
> Another database still using Granatina granatina is the online 'Handbook
> of the Birds of the World'
>
> Geoff
>
>
> On Thu, October 26, 2017 2:24 am, Roderic Page wrote:
> > What it shows is that we STILL don't have one place to go where we get
> > answers to:
> >
> > Is this a name?
> >
> > If it's name, what is it a name for?"
> >
> > Where was it published?
> >
> > Do people still use it today?
> >
> > Plus evidence for all of the above.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rod
> >
> >
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> > On 25 Oct 2017, at 14:10, Mary Barkworth
> > <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu<mailto:Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > It seems it comes down to “IF the two genera are to be combined†,
> > Uraeginthus  has priority (see biostor link in Rod’s response). Avibase
> > seems to accept it but not worldbirdnames.org<http://worldbirdnames.org/
> >.
> >  Almost like working with botanists….
> >
> > Mary
> >
> > From: Roderic Page [mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:58 AM
> > To: Mary Barkworth
> > <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu<mailto:Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>>
> > Cc: (Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>)
> > <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Granatina
> >
> > Hi Mary,
> >
> > From BHL and Nomenclature Zoologicus, the author is Sharp
> > https://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/8328345 (slightly complicated
> history
> > of the name).
> >
> > From BHL and Biostor, Harrison argued that Uraeginthus has priority
> >
> > Harrison CJO (1962) The relative priority of the generic names
> Uraeginthus
> > and Granatina. Bulletin of The British Ornithologists' Club 82: 171-172.
> > Retrieved fromhttp://biostor.org/reference/113138
> >
> > I can’t help with whether the names are synonyms or not.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rod
>
>
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