[Taxacom] Granatina

[Geoff Read]

Genera are a little more tricky than species when resolving validity or
just generally tracking.  There seems to be ample info on the species
involved via BHL etc, and it might be a tad unrealistic Rod to expect 100%
resolution/agreement in these matters without needing application of some
taxonomic intelligence to what shows up.  At the birdwatcher level
probably they don't take too much notice of an ongoing conflict in genera
names between mega databases who (sadly & too frequently) may not provide
any sources to support their name choices.

Another database still using Granatina granatina is the online 'Handbook
of the Birds of the World'

Geoff


On Thu, October 26, 2017 2:24 am, Roderic Page wrote:
> What it shows is that we STILL don't have one place to go where we get
> answers to:
>
> Is this a name?
>
> If it's name, what is it a name for?"
>
> Where was it published?
>
> Do people still use it today?
>
> Plus evidence for all of the above.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rod
>
>
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> On 25 Oct 2017, at 14:10, Mary Barkworth
> <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu<mailto:Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>> wrote:
>
> It seems it comes down to “IF the two genera are to be combined”,
> Uraeginthus  has priority (see biostor link in Rod’s response). Avibase
> seems to accept it but not worldbirdnames.org<http://worldbirdnames.org/>.
>  Almost like working with botanists….
>
> Mary
>
> From: Roderic Page [mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:58 AM
> To: Mary Barkworth
> <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu<mailto:Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>>
> Cc: (Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>)
> <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Granatina
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> From BHL and Nomenclature Zoologicus, the author is Sharp
> https://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/8328345 (slightly complicated history
> of the name).
>
> From BHL and Biostor, Harrison argued that Uraeginthus has priority
>
> Harrison CJO (1962) The relative priority of the generic names Uraeginthus
> and Granatina. Bulletin of The British Ornithologists' Club 82: 171-172.
> Retrieved fromhttp://biostor.org/reference/113138
>
> I can’t help with whether the names are synonyms or not.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rod