[Taxacom] Have you named a taxon?

Sat Mar 18 06:26:21 CDT 2017

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I understand that Wikispecies will respond to the needs of those actively creating it, rather than, say, those who are interested in text mining the results. My own interest is in using Wikispecies is the following:

1. As a source of references to locate in BHL and add to BioStor
2. Locating DOIs for reference that have them but Wikispecies is unaware of this
3. Using Wikispecies and Wikidata to link articles in BioStor (and elsewhere) to articles about authors, see http://iphylo.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/the-biodiversity-heritage-library-meets.html

It would be nice to be able to feed the links to BioStor, BHL, and DOIs back to Wikispecies as well. At the moment the biggest obstacle I face is writing code to parse all the different ways contributors use to write references (and reference templates) in Wikispecies. But I realise this use case is not necessarily high on the agenda of Wikispecies contributors.

Regards,

Rod

On 17 Mar 2017, at 21:21, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com<mailto:scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>> wrote:

The issue of referencing has been discussed on Wikispecies, numerous times. Most recently it was brought up by Andy who was keen for us to use the Wikipedia {{cite journal}} template from there. First up it does not have community support and as such I have to run with the consensus, I am a bureaucrat there but its a vote system. I am no fan of the Wikipedia template as it stands. However I acknowledge it could be modified to be better. The Wikipedia template is good for articles that have a doi, but if they do not its more trouble than its worth. I get it that it is difficult to extract a string, which is effectively what Wikispecies refs are. I would be happy to see a proposal that was an improvement, but the current WP cite journal template is not it. There is a lot of resistance to changing it, largely because the issue has been raised a number of times and the current standard got community support. In wikimedia that is how it is done. Another difficulty is the formatting, the botanists wants refs the way they are used to, the zoologists want it their way. What we ended up with is a compromise. They do the refs as templates for the most part, partly to save rewriting them over and over again. It is what they are used to.

The way to change this is to get more people involved in the project. In particular taxonomists. Since we specialise in the type of data presented there. If enough genuine editors (those who edit frequently) who specialise in main space editing, ie creating taxon accounts, want a change in the referencing system it will happen. With Wikimedia if you want to effect any changes you have to be part of it.

Cheers, Scott

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Roderic Page <Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk<mailto:Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hi Andy,

Thanks for the info. It’s nice to see the links to Wikidata, and the author identifiers (VIAF, ORCID, ISNI, etc.).

One thing about Wikispecies which drives me a little nuts is the lack of standardised way to write references (compared, say, too the templates used in Wikipedia). Given all the interest in extracting citations from Wikipedia, is Wikispecies lily to adopt a similar template for citations, or is that wishful thinking?

Regards,

Rod

On 16 Mar 2017, at 09:13, Andy Mabbett <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk<mailto:andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk><mailto:andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk<mailto:andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk>>> wrote:

If you have named a taxon, then it is likely that there is (or will
be) a Wikispecies page about you, and other pages about your published
papers.

Wikispecies now has a page for people to whom this applies:

   https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikispecies:Autobiography

Please feel free to forward this email to colleagues, or to mention
the page in your journals, other forums, etc.

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