[Taxacom] scientific illustrations and access

Tue Mar 14 15:48:55 CDT 2017

I'm not following the comment on the ICZN as this is a system we opt into.
Copyright is not that easy to opt out of. If the opt out is written onto
the document from publication then you are fine, but otherwise you have to
be alive and contactable or your ancestors have to be found and prove that
they own the copyright. If you are alive then you can only respond to every
request individually. For many multi author documents it is virtually
impossible to find out who owns the copyright. There is not repository of
copyright opt outs. Opt in seems to work for patents and opt in doesn't
stop people making money on commertial material.
Regards
Quentin

Dr. Quentin Groom
(Botany and Information Technology)

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On 14 March 2017 at 20:58, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:

> Quentin,
>
> First, your thought could be stated in this way for many, possibly most
> scientists, even biologists: "The ICZN is a burden for scientists that most
> of us don't need and goes against the intention of science." Just because
> of that, we don't throw out the rules. Same here.
>
> Second, it is easy to not have your work copyrighted, as long as you
> choose to publish in the many journals that do not take copyright for what
> is published.  For those, copyright is retained by the creator or author,
> depending on the details, and may be made open.  For instance, anything
> published by a US government employee is not copyrighted.  I believe UK and
> Canadian employees leave theirs in the hands of the Queen.
>
> There are people who make their living on this stuff, and they should not
> be robbed unless the courts have approved it.
>
> If someone really believes the stuff in this paper, they should steal a
> bunch of images from one of the big commercial publishers who have lawyers
> to argue the case, and see if they can win in court, in some major
> publishing country (Iraqi or Cuban courts don't count).  Otherwise, this is
> just unsupported assertion.
>
> Mike
>
> On 3/14/2017 1:46 PM, Quentin Groom wrote:
>
> Copyright is a burden for scientists that most of us don't need and goes
> against the intension of science. Most of us want our work to be used. It
> would be far better if we had to opt into copyright, rather than have it
> imposed on us. It is even imposed on dead people who can't fight back.
> I hope this assertion is challenged, because we need to know the limits of
> copyright law.
> Just for the record, I do not claim any rights on this email it is public
> record, CC0.
> Regards
> Quentin
>
>
> On 14 Mar 2017 6:52 p.m., "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
>
> This is a continuation of a disturbing new trend we see in the US from our
> President: If you want something, just make a claim the laws don't apply to
> you and take it.  There is a large body of law that shows that artwork in a
> publication is subject to copyright.   This paper does not have any affect
> on that fact. Until is it tested in court in each country, it is just an
> assertion.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On 3/13/2017 3:29 PM, Donat Agosti wrote:
>
>> Here is the link to the press release https://www.eurekalert.org/pub
>> _releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php<https://na01.safelinks.pr
>> otection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurekalert.org%
>> 2Fpub_releases%2F2017-03%2Fpp-lor031317.php&data=01%7C01%
>> 7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C9154da42673940b6b24708d46a28fb21%7Cbe0
>> 003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=go798VKWViVVbLOodYMQ
>> SM38JcugcumJcMNJJPKYhGw%3D&reserved=0> , the article
>> https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ about, and what can be done with the huge
>> untapped body of scientific illustrations if we free them, that is, give
>> them the freedom they ought to have, not least so that they can be given
>> due limelight and attribution https://zenodo.org/communities
>> /biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png
>>
>> Donat
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> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
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> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> PO Box 173145
> Montana State University
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> USA
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> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> 1911 West Lincoln Street
> Montana State University
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> USA
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