[Taxacom] scientific illustrations and access

Tue Mar 14 14:58:09 CDT 2017

Quentin,

First, your thought could be stated in this way for many, possibly most 
scientists, even biologists: "The ICZN is a burden for scientists that 
most of us don't need and goes against the intention of science." Just 
because of that, we don't throw out the rules. Same here.

Second, it is easy to not have your work copyrighted, as long as you 
choose to publish in the many journals that do not take copyright for 
what is published.  For those, copyright is retained by the creator or 
author, depending on the details, and may be made open.  For instance, 
anything published by a US government employee is not copyrighted.  I 
believe UK and Canadian employees leave theirs in the hands of the Queen.

There are people who make their living on this stuff, and they should 
not be robbed unless the courts have approved it.

If someone really believes the stuff in this paper, they should steal a 
bunch of images from one of the big commercial publishers who have 
lawyers to argue the case, and see if they can win in court, in some 
major publishing country (Iraqi or Cuban courts don't count).  
Otherwise, this is just unsupported assertion.

Mike

On 3/14/2017 1:46 PM, Quentin Groom wrote:
> Copyright is a burden for scientists that most of us don't need and 
> goes against the intension of science. Most of us want our work to be 
> used. It would be far better if we had to opt into copyright, rather 
> than have it imposed on us. It is even imposed on dead people who 
> can't fight back.
> I hope this assertion is challenged, because we need to know the 
> limits of copyright law.
> Just for the record, I do not claim any rights on this email it is 
> public record, CC0.
> Regards
> Quentin
>
>
> On 14 Mar 2017 6:52 p.m., "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu 
> <mailto:mivie at montana.edu>> wrote:
>
>     This is a continuation of a disturbing new trend we see in the US
>     from our President: If you want something, just make a claim the
>     laws don't apply to you and take it.  There is a large body of law
>     that shows that artwork in a publication is subject to copyright. 
>      This paper does not have any affect on that fact. Until is it
>     tested in court in each country, it is just an assertion.
>
>     Mike
>
>
>
>     On 3/13/2017 3:29 PM, Donat Agosti wrote:
>
>         Here is the link to the press release
>         https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php
>         <https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurekalert.org%2Fpub_releases%2F2017-03%2Fpp-lor031317.php&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C9154da42673940b6b24708d46a28fb21%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=go798VKWViVVbLOodYMQSM38JcugcumJcMNJJPKYhGw%3D&reserved=0
>         <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurekalert.org%2Fpub_releases%2F2017-03%2Fpp-lor031317.php&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C9154da42673940b6b24708d46a28fb21%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=go798VKWViVVbLOodYMQSM38JcugcumJcMNJJPKYhGw%3D&reserved=0>>
>         , the article https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ about, and what can be
>         done with the huge untapped body of scientific illustrations
>         if we free them, that is, give them the freedom they ought to
>         have, not least so that they can be given due limelight and
>         attribution
>         https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png
>         <https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png>
>
>         Donat
>
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