[Taxacom] What taxon corresponds to "birds'?

[John Grehan]

But 'improvement' is a tricky thing. Sometimes it seems clear because we
'all' agree, just as we 'all' agree that chimps and humans are sister taxa
(never mind those ratty creationists who might think otherwise).

John Grehan

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:

> Richard,
>
> Oh, just that we know such things a capybaras are not fish, and that bats
> are not birds and so on.  Also that birds are reptiles, and termites are
> cockroaches.  That sort of progress.  You know, improvements in
> understanding of relationships over those who wrote the Kosher laws
> hundreds of years ago.
>
>
>
> On 11/29/2016 2:32 PM, Richard Pyle wrote:
>
>> For Ken to use historical precedent to override
>>> progress in scientific understanding of life...
>>>
>> Erm... by what metric are you measuring "progress" in our scientific
>> understanding of life, in this context?
>>
>> We certainly are making progress in our understanding of historical
>> evolutionary patterns. But in terms of how we apply nested sets of
>> latinized text-string labels to defined sets of organisms (and specifically
>> the extent to which our understanding of evolutionary patterns du jour
>> should influence and be reflected in those nested sets of text-string
>> labels) -- which is my understanding of what Ken's question is about -- I'm
>> not really sure we've made a whole lot of "progress" since the 1750's
>> (except, perhaps, the codification a little over a century ago of how those
>> names are created, prioritized, and anchored to biology).
>>
>> Nor am I convinced that "progress" is even helpful in this context (by
>> whatever metric you choose).
>>
>> Aloha,
>> Rich
>>
>> Richard L. Pyle, PhD
>> Database Coordinator for Natural Sciences | Associate Zoologist in
>> Ichthyology | Dive Safety Officer
>> Department of Natural Sciences, Bishop Museum, 1525 Bernice St.,
>> Honolulu, HI 96817
>> Ph: (808)848-4115, Fax: (808)847-8252 email: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
>> http://hbs.bishopmuseum.org/staff/pylerichard.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>>
> --
> __________________________________________________
>
> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>
> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>
> US Post Office Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> PO Box 173145
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59717
> USA
>
> UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> 1911 West Lincoln Street
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59718
> USA
>
>
> (406) 994-4610 (voice)
> (406) 994-6029 (FAX)
> mivie at montana.edu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Taxacom Mailing List
> Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/taxacom
> The Taxacom Archive back to 1992 may be searched at:
> http://taxacom.markmail.org
>
> Injecting Intellectual Liquidity for 29 years.
>