[Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published -onenew species

[Laurent Raty]

;)
No, YOU confuse common language and the language of the Code. (And the 
person who wrote this example did, too.)
In the Code, "publication" is ALWAYS and ONLY what you call "valid 
publication". What is not "valid publication", is not published at all.

L -


On 01/24/2016 11:07 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> Laurent,
>
> Once again you confuse published with validly published!
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 25/1/16, Laurent Raty <l.raty at skynet.be> wrote:
>
>   Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published -onenew species
>   To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>   Received: Monday, 25 January, 2016, 10:54 AM
>
>   This example IS nonsense
>   but not for this reason. It is nonsense because
>   it uses words in a sense that is not consistent
>   with the Code.
>
>   It is wolly
>   impossible that an "author discovers the omission after
>   the
>   work is published", because the
>   consequence of the omission is that the
>   work is not published.
>
>   But I have written this before.
>
>   Cheers, Laurent -
>
>
>   On 01/24/2016
>   10:18 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>   > LOL!
>   You are right, but so am I! I am right that the example is
>   nonsensical! Why? Because registering an online work on
>   ZooBank after it has been published ALWAYS means that the
>   work is unavailable earlier than the registration date. It
>   matters not one whit whether the author stated in the work
>   any registration date or any other sort of evidence for the
>   preregistration that never happened! As examples go, this
>   one is highly misleading, introducing an obvious general
>   point by way of a specific red herring! The Code is full of
>   such confusing nonsense.
>   >
>   > Stephen
>   >
>   >
>   --------------------------------------------
>   > On Mon, 25/1/16, Adam Cotton <adamcot at cscoms.com>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   >   Subject: Re: [Taxacom]
>   Important note Re: two names online published -onenew
>   species
>   >   To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>   >   Received: Monday, 25 January,
>   2016, 10:04 AM
>   >
>   >   ----- Original Message
>   -----
>   >   From: "Stephen
>   Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>   >   To: <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>;
>   >   "Adam Cotton"
>   <adamcot at cscoms.com>
>   >   Sent: Monday, January 25,
>   2016 3:59 AM
>   >   Subject: Re:
>   [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online
>   >   published -onenew
>   >   species
>   >
>   >
>   >   > Adam,
>   >   >
>   >   > OK, that makes some
>   sense. Note however that this isn't
>   >   an issue about
>   >   > "e-only published
>   names", it is also about online first
>   >   names, and their
>   >   > effective dates of
>   publication. Back to that example,
>   >   OK, it seems to be
>   >   > saying something along
>   the lines of "if the only
>   >   evidence that an author
>   >   > provides, in a work, of
>   ZooBank preregistration, is the
>   >   (purported) exact
>   >   > date of registration,
>   but that date is incorrect, then
>   >   the work is
>   >   > unavailable".
>   However, it would be a rare (I'm not sure
>   >   that it has ever
>   >   > happened?) and somewhat
>   foolish choice for an author to
>   >   provide only that
>   >   > as evidence, but, more
>   to the point, it still seems to
>   >   be at odds with:
>   >   >
>   >   > 8.5.3.3. An error in
>   stating the evidence of
>   >   registration does not make
>   a
>   >   > work unavailable,
>   provided that the work can be
>   >   unambiguously associated
>   >   > with a record created in
>   the Official Register of
>   >   Zoological Nomenclature
>   >   > before the work was
>   published
>   >   >
>   >   > Cheers,
>   >   >
>   >   > Stephen
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   EXACTLY!
>   >
>   >   The
>   whole point of the example is that he stated a
>   >   registration date as
>   >   proof in the work, but
>   totally forgot to register it at
>   >   Zoobank until AFTER
>   >   publication. The important
>   word in 8.5.3.3 is "before" in
>   >   the last sentence.
>   >
>   >   Adam.
>   >
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