[Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - one new species

Sun Jan 24 14:37:14 CST 2016

Frank,

That is a pretty darn liberal reinterpretation of:

8.5.3.1. The entry in the Official Register of Zoological Nomenclature must give the name and Internet address of an organization other than the publisher that is intended to permanently archive the work in a manner that preserves the content and layout, and is capable of doing so. This information is not required to appear in the work itself.

If we allow such dizzying levels of liberality, then it is pretty much "anything goes"! Besides, publishing with a publisher that still prints hard copies effectively IS archiving, but the Code is clearly not concerned with "effectively", and it just opens up a huge scope for everyone to disagree on the interpretation of the Code, thereby causing instability and nomenclatural chaos (none of which affects Zootaxa...)

Cheers,

Stephen

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On Mon, 25/1/16, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - one	new species
 To: "deepreef at bishopmuseum.org" <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>, "'Stephen Thorpe'" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "'Doug Yanega'" <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 Cc: "'engel'" <msengel at ku.edu>
 Received: Monday, 25 January, 2016, 9:31 AM

 I would see the criteria
 for availability more liberally. Publishing with a publisher
 that archives all its publications anyway is an intention to
 archive.
 Being pragmatic.

 Frank

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 -----Original Message-----
 From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 On Behalf Of Richard Pyle
 Sent: Sunday,
 January 24, 2016 12:42 PM
 To: 'Stephen
 Thorpe' <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>;
 taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
 'Doug Yanega' <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 Cc: 'engel' <msengel at ku.edu>
 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Important note Re: two
 names online published - one new species

 I can confirm that the Archive was added to
 this record at 2016-01-23 12:21:46.330 UTC, by the same
 login account that created the original registration. 
 Following the principle that the work becomes available when
 all requirements are fulfilled (see my previous email reply
 to Laurent on this list), and assuming all other
 requirements for publication are met, my interpretation
 would be that the date of publication for purposes of
 priority should be 23 January 2016. If numerous copies of
 the paper edition were simultaneously obtainable prior to
 this date, and if the paper edition is in compliance with
 the Code for published works printed on paper, then the date
 of publication for purposes of priority should be
 interpreted as the date on which numerous copies of the
 printed edition were simultaneously obtainable (see Art.
 21.9).

 What is, or is not
 visible through the ZooBank website is irrelevant. The Code
 makes reference to content in the Official Register of
 Zoological Nomenclature, only a subset of which is visible
 on the website itself.  Future versions of the ZooBank
 website (pending development support) will include more
 robust and publicly visible documentation of when specific
 items were added or amended.

 Aloha,
 Rich

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
 > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 9:25 AM
 > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
 Doug Yanega
 > Cc: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org;
 engel
 > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Important
 note Re: two names online published - 
 >
 one new species
 > 
 >
 Doug,
 > 
 > I'm not
 sure that this was at all helpful! The addition of the
 archive 
 > info isn't date stamped
 (at least not for public view). Now the record 
 > misleadingly looks like valid online first
 publication on 4 January 2016:
 > http://zoobank.org/References/07554C01-DEC3-4080-A337-B1F46BC9070F
 > 
 > As far as I know,
 the print edition may not be published yet (all we 
 > know is that it is the January 2016 print
 issue, which could be 
 > published in
 February for all we know). So there may be no way to 
 > determine the true date of availability
 for the new names. Even if we 
 > can get
 a definitive date on the hard copy, this doesn't help
 much, unless it is on or before 4 January 2016.
 > 
 > Stephen
 > 
 >
 --------------------------------------------
 > On Sun, 24/1/16, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 wrote:
 > 
 >  Subject:
 [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published -

 > one new species
 > 
 To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu,
 "engel" <msengel at ku.edu>
 >  Received: Sunday, 24 January, 2016, 7:34
 PM
 > 
 >  I sent a
 note to the authors of the
 > 
 Kinzelbachilla paper (who had not
 > 
 been CCed before as Mike Engel had), and they said they
 have  fixed 
 > the ZooBank record so it
 now includes the archive. Accordingly,  for 
 > the  public record, if we follow the
 guideline as Rich suggested,  all 
 > of
 the  criteria for availability have now been fulfilled for
 the  name in their  work.
 > 
 >  Most interesting of all, however, if
 that they disagree  regarding 
 > these 
 two papers describing the same taxon, despite both being 
 from  
 > essentially the same type of
 amber deposit:
 > 
 > 
 "By the way, it is not the same thing, the eyes, for 
 instance, are  
 > strikingly
 different."
 > 
 >  In other words, this may not be a matter
 of competing for  priority,  
 > after
 all, as Hans had originally supposed.
 >

 >  Peace,
 > 
 >  --
 >  Doug Yanega 
     Dept. of Entomology
 >   
    Entomology Research Museum
 >  Univ. of California, Riverside, CA
 92521-0314
 >     skype:
 dyanega
 >  phone: (951) 827-4315
 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not
 > 
 UCR's)
 >                http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
 >     "There are some
 enterprises in which a  careful disorderliness
 >           is the true
 method" -
 >  Herman Melville, Moby
 Dick, Chap. 82
 > 
 > 
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