[Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - one new species
Stephen Thorpe
stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sun Jan 24 14:00:20 CST 2016
Nevertheless, the ZooBank registration record ( http://zoobank.org/References/07554C01-DEC3-4080-A337-B1F46BC9070F ) now misleadingly appears, to anyone trying to verify the details for these names, like valid online publication on 4 January 2016. This is not good! There may be a case for editing the "date published" field on the Zoobank record to 23 January 2016, but still to anyone cross referencing the details with those stated in the work itself, this will just look like an error.
In retrospect, it is now clear to me that the contents of Zoobank records should have been designed to be fixed (unchangeable) after creation (with new records created in order to fix errors).
To further reinforce my earlier comments that the electronic amendment was drafted both in haste and in Zootaxa optimised fashion, I draw your attention to the following excerpt from the Code:
Example under Art. 8.5.3.3: The following are examples of inadmissible errors: An author, in preparing a manuscript for publication, states that days date for the registration date, intending to register it later that day but forgetting to do so. The author discovers the omission after the work is published and immediately registers it; because registration occurred after publication, the work is not available.
Is it just me, or does this make no sense whatsoever? Author "states that days date for the registration date" WHERE??
Stephen
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On Mon, 25/1/16, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - one new species
To: "'Stephen Thorpe'" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu, "'Doug Yanega'" <dyanega at ucr.edu>
Cc: "'engel'" <msengel at ku.edu>
Received: Monday, 25 January, 2016, 8:42 AM
I can confirm that the
Archive was added to this record at 2016-01-23 12:21:46.330
UTC, by the same login account that created the original
registration. Following the principle that the work
becomes available when all requirements are fulfilled (see
my previous email reply to Laurent on this list), and
assuming all other requirements for publication are met, my
interpretation would be that the date of publication for
purposes of priority should be 23 January 2016. If numerous
copies of the paper edition were simultaneously obtainable
prior to this date, and if the paper edition is in
compliance with the Code for published works printed on
paper, then the date of publication for purposes of priority
should be interpreted as the date on which numerous copies
of the printed edition were simultaneously obtainable (see
Art. 21.9).
What is, or is
not visible through the ZooBank website is irrelevant. The
Code makes reference to content in the Official Register of
Zoological Nomenclature, only a subset of which is visible
on the website itself. Future versions of the ZooBank
website (pending development support) will include more
robust and publicly visible documentation of when specific
items were added or amended.
Aloha,
Rich
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 9:25 AM
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
Doug Yanega
> Cc: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org;
engel
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Important
note Re: two names online published - one
> new species
>
> Doug,
>
> I'm not sure that this was at all
helpful! The addition of the archive info isn't
> date stamped (at least not for public
view). Now the record misleadingly
>
looks like valid online first publication on 4 January
2016:
> http://zoobank.org/References/07554C01-DEC3-4080-A337-B1F46BC9070F
>
> As far as I know,
the print edition may not be published yet (all we know
is
> that it is the January 2016 print
issue, which could be published in February
> for all we know). So there may be no way
to determine the true date of
>
availability for the new names. Even if we can get a
definitive date on the
> hard copy, this
doesn't help much, unless it is on or before 4 January
2016.
>
> Stephen
>
>
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> On Sun, 24/1/16, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
wrote:
>
> Subject:
[Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published -
one
> new species
>
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu,
"engel" <msengel at ku.edu>
> Received: Sunday, 24 January, 2016, 7:34
PM
>
> I sent a
note to the authors of the
>
Kinzelbachilla paper (who had not
>
been CCed before as Mike Engel had), and they said they
have fixed the
> ZooBank record so it
now includes the archive. Accordingly, for the public
> record, if we follow the guideline as Rich
suggested, all of the criteria for
>
availability have now been fulfilled for the name in
their work.
>
>
Most interesting of all, however, if that they disagree
regarding these two
> papers describing
the same taxon, despite both being from essentially
the
> same type of amber deposit:
>
> "By the way,
it is not the same thing, the eyes, for instance, are
strikingly
> different."
>
> In other words,
this may not be a matter of competing for priority,
after all,
> as Hans had originally
supposed.
>
>
Peace,
>
> --
> Doug Yanega Dept. of
Entomology
>
Entomology Research Museum
> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA
92521-0314
> skype:
dyanega
> phone: (951) 827-4315
(disclaimer: opinions are mine, not
>
UCR's)
> http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
> "There are some
enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
> is the true
method" -
> Herman Melville, Moby
Dick, Chap. 82
>
>
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