[Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
John Grehan
calabar.john at gmail.com
Thu Jan 14 23:06:30 CST 2016
a possible scenario also means a possibly not scenario - meaning that just
because one might theorize a possibility does not mean that its an
actuality.
John Grehan
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> wrote:
> Daniel,
>
> The economics of spending one's own money is very different to that of
> spending other people's (public) money. If an employee of an institution is
> under pressure to bring in overheads, then getting as many grants as
> possible and spending as much of it on open access fees (to avoid being
> overloaded with work) is a possible scenario.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 15/1/16, Daniel Leo Gustafsson <kotatsu.no.leo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
> To:
> Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016, 12:27 PM
>
> How is the fact that you
> have to pay per page published an incentive to
> write as many pages as possible, compared to
> not having to pay per page?
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:24
> PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> >
> Cut the ad hominem rhetoric Frank. I don't see evil
> everywhere. But I can
> > do the maths and
> see that $20/page multiplied by many thousands/year of
> > taxonomic papers of limited interest
> amounts to a significant amount of
> >
> public money spent on making stuff available to read when
> hardly anyone
> > wants to read it. It is
> also an incentive for some authors to pad out their
> > papers to be as long winded as
> possible.
> >
> >
> Stephen
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > On Fri, 15/1/16, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
> RE: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
> > To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
> "
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> "Peter Uetz" <
> > peter at uetz.us>
> > Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016,
> 11:51 AM
> >
> >
> Disseminating results is
> > an essential
> part of the scientific endeavor. If public
> > money is intended for research, this
> includes making the
> > results known.
> >
> > You see evil
> > problems everywhere, don't you,
> Stephen. Even in a
> > $20/page open
> access charge.
> >
> >
> Frank
> >
> >
> > Dr Frank T. Krell
> >
> Curator of
> > Entomology
> > Commissioner, International
> > Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
> > Chair,
> > ICZN
> ZooBank Committee
> > Department of
> Zoology
> >
> > Denver
> Museum of Nature & Science
> > 2001
> Colorado Boulevard
> > Denver, CO
> 80205-5798 USA
> > Frank.Krell at dmns.org
> >
> > Phone: (+1) (303)
> 370-8244
> > Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
> > http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
> > lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab
> >
> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
> > On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe
> > Sent: Thursday,
> >
> January 14, 2016 3:02 PM
> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
> > Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our
> taxonomic
> > tidbit
> >
> > Peter Uetz said:
> > Just make your papers available to
> everybody, not just the
> > few lucky
> ones
> >
> > Not sure
> if
> > he was being sarcastic? I hope so.
> It amounts to "just
> > make your
> papers available to everybody (whether they want
> > to read it or not), not just the few who
> actually want to
> > read it (and pay for
> it with public money intended for
> >
> research!)"
> >
> >
> Stephen
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > On Fri, 15/1/16, Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re:
> > [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic
> tidbit
> > To:
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Received: Friday, 15 January,
> 2016, 7:20 AM
> >
> >
> > Yes! —
> > Zootaxa is probably the best deal you
> can get.
> > I paid for an
> open access paper in Zootaxa out
> > of
> my own pocket, and this was a single author paper.
> >
> > For
> teams, some of which may
> > have grant
> money available, it is a no brainer.
> > Just make your papers
> available to everybody,
> > not just
> the few lucky ones.
> > Especially
> > if you believe that nothing in biology
> makes sense except
> > in the light of
> taxonomy, sorry..., evolution
> > :)
> >
> >
> > >
> ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016
> 13:58:22 +1300
> > > From: "Geoff
> Read" <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
> > > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > > Subject: [Taxacom] Paywall our
> taxonomic tidbit >
> >
> Message-ID:
> > >
> <88e32d0d97f3055d3f25280814fd767f.squirrel at my.actrix.co.nz>
> > > Content-Type:
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> > Am I
> > unreasonable in expecting
> minor contributions to Zootaxa
> > to
> be > affordable for authors as open access as a
> > convenience for their readers?
> > > For
> > instance that's USD 20 for each
> author in today's
> > worst 2 page
> case!
> > > Hopefully they
> earn
> > (or did) much more that per
> hour.
> > >
> > > http://www.mapress.com/j/zt/article/view/zootaxa.4066.2.5
> > >
> > > Happens quite
> > frequently - what are these
> contributors thinking? Should
> > we
> > perhaps start a fund to help them out?
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > > Geoffrey B.
> Read, Ph.D.
> > >
> > Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
> > > gread at actrix.gen.nz
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Professor
> > Center for the Study of
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> >
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