[Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit

Thu Jan 14 23:04:53 CST 2016

Daniel,

The economics of spending one's own money is very different to that of spending other people's (public) money. If an employee of an institution is under pressure to bring in overheads, then getting as many grants as possible and spending as much of it on open access fees (to avoid being overloaded with work) is a possible scenario.

Cheers,

Stephen

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On Fri, 15/1/16, Daniel Leo Gustafsson <kotatsu.no.leo at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
 To: 
 Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016, 12:27 PM

 How is the fact that you
 have to pay per page published an incentive to
 write as many pages as possible, compared to
 not having to pay per page?

 Cheers,
 Daniel

 On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:24
 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 wrote:

 >
 Cut the ad hominem rhetoric Frank. I don't see evil
 everywhere. But I can
 > do the maths and
 see that $20/page multiplied by many thousands/year of
 > taxonomic papers of limited interest
 amounts to a significant amount of
 >
 public money spent on making stuff available to read when
 hardly anyone
 > wants to read it. It is
 also an incentive for some authors to pad out their
 > papers to be as long winded as
 possible.
 >
 >
 Stephen
 >
 >
 --------------------------------------------
 > On Fri, 15/1/16, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject:
 RE: [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic tidbit
 >  To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
 "
 > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu"
 <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
 "Peter Uetz" <
 > peter at uetz.us>
 >  Received: Friday, 15 January, 2016,
 11:51 AM
 >
 > 
 Disseminating results is
 >  an essential
 part of the scientific endeavor. If public
 >  money is intended for research, this
 includes making the
 >  results known.
 >
 >  You see evil
 >  problems everywhere, don't you,
 Stephen. Even in a
 >  $20/page open
 access charge.
 >
 > 
 Frank
 >
 >
 >  Dr Frank T. Krell
 > 
 Curator of
 >  Entomology
 >  Commissioner, International
 >  Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
 >  Chair,
 >  ICZN
 ZooBank Committee
 >  Department of
 Zoology
 >
 >  Denver
 Museum of Nature & Science
 >  2001
 Colorado Boulevard
 >  Denver, CO
 80205-5798 USA
 >  Frank.Krell at dmns.org
 >
 >  Phone: (+1) (303)
 370-8244
 >  Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
 >  http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
 >  lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab
 >
 >  -----Original
 Message-----
 >  From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 >  On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe
 >  Sent: Thursday,
 > 
 January 14, 2016 3:02 PM
 >  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
 >  Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
 >  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Paywall our
 taxonomic
 >  tidbit
 >
 >  Peter Uetz said:
 >  Just make your papers available to
 everybody, not just the
 >  few lucky
 ones
 >
 >  Not sure
 if
 >  he was being sarcastic? I hope so.
 It amounts to "just
 >  make your
 papers available to everybody (whether they want
 >  to read it or not), not just the few who
 actually want to
 >  read it (and pay for
 it with public money intended for
 > 
 research!)"
 >
 > 
 Stephen
 >
 >
 > 
 --------------------------------------------
 >  On Fri, 15/1/16, Peter Uetz <peter at uetz.us>
 >  wrote:
 >
 >   Subject: Re:
 >  [Taxacom] Paywall our taxonomic
 tidbit
 >   To:
 >  taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 >   Received: Friday, 15 January,
 2016, 7:20 AM
 >
 >
 >   Yes! —
 >  Zootaxa is probably the best deal you
 can get.
 >   I paid for an
 open access paper in Zootaxa out
 >  of
 my own  pocket, and this was a single author paper.
 >
 >   For
 teams, some of which may
 >  have grant
 money available, it  is a no brainer.
 >   Just make your papers
 available to everybody,
 >  not just
 the  few lucky ones.
 >   Especially
 >  if you believe that nothing in biology
 makes  sense except
 >  in the light of
 taxonomy, sorry..., evolution
 >   :)
 >
 >
 >   >
 ------------------------------
 >   >
 >   > Message: 9
 >   > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016
 13:58:22 +1300
 >  > From: "Geoff
 Read" <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
 >  > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 >  > Subject: [Taxacom] Paywall our
 taxonomic tidbit  >
 > 
 Message-ID:
 >   > 
    <88e32d0d97f3055d3f25280814fd767f.squirrel at my.actrix.co.nz>
 >   > Content-Type:
 >  text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1  > 
 > Am I
 >  unreasonable in expecting
 minor contributions to  Zootaxa
 >  to
 be  > affordable for authors as open access as a
 >  convenience  for their readers?
 >   > For
 >  instance that's USD 20 for each
 author in today's
 >  worst 2 page
 case!
 >   > Hopefully they
 earn
 >  (or did) much more that per
 hour.
 >   >
 >   > http://www.mapress.com/j/zt/article/view/zootaxa.4066.2.5
 >   >
 >   > Happens quite
 >  frequently - what are these
 contributors  thinking? Should
 >  we 
 > perhaps start a fund to help them out?
 >   >
 >   > --
 >
 >  > Geoffrey B.
 Read, Ph.D.
 >   >
 >  Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
 >   > gread at actrix.gen.nz
 >   >
 >   >
 >
 >
 >
 > 
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 >   Associate
 >  Professor
 >   Center for the Study of
 >  Biological Complexity  Virginia
 Commonwealth University
 >   1015 Floyd Ave
 >   PO Box
 > 
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 >   Richmond, VA
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 >
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