[Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now
Mike Sadka
mike.sadka at nhm.ac.uk
Fri May 1 03:37:09 CDT 2015
> My finger pointing is based on facts and good intentions. Theirs is based on rhetoric and agendas.
That is your opinion, and would they not say the same?
I have only heard your side of the story - but the tone in which it has been presented sounds rather rhetorical and agenda-biased to me I'm afraid. A more objective tone might convince more of your readers that you have a point.
Cheerio, Mike
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From: Stephen Thorpe [stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
Sent: 01 May 2015 03:02
To: Taxacom; Mike Sadka
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now
>I fail to see the difference between your finger pointing and anyone else's - sorry!
Well, we all have failings Mike, no need to be too sorry. When there are two sides pointing fingers at each other, there are actually 3 possibilities: (1) both sides are in the wrong (to some extent); (2) both sides are right (to some extent); or (3) one side is right and the other is wrong. In this case, it is nearer to option (3) than to options (1 or 2). My finger pointing is based on facts and good intentions. Theirs is based on rhetoric and agendas. That is the difference.
Stephen
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On Fri, 1/5/15, Mike Sadka <mike.sadka at nhm.ac.uk> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now
To: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Received: Friday, 1 May, 2015, 12:16 PM
> Sound familiar??
Indeed it does - lol!
And were those big database projects you "devalue and point
fingers at" not created by people "trying to create a useful
resource"?
I'm not trying to be obtuse, and you may well have a point
about Wikispecies (humans are falible - not a big surprise),
but I fail to see the difference between your finger
pointing and anyone else's - sorry!
Cheerio, and no offence intended, Mike
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From: Stephen Thorpe [stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
Sent: 30 April 2015 22:00
To: JF Mate; Scott Thomson; Mike Sadka
Cc: Taxacom
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the
dogs, best to disregard it now
Mike,
It is indeed the same Wikispecies that had great potential
to be a major biodiversity resource. Unfortunately, it has
been spoiled by those who like to devalue and point fingers
at others who are are trying to create a useful resource.
Sound familiar??
Stephen
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On Thu, 30/4/15, Mike Sadka <mike.sadka at nhm.ac.uk>
wrote:
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the
dogs, best to disregard it
now
To: "'Stephen Thorpe'" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>,
"JF Mate" <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>,
"Scott Thomson" <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015, 9:50 PM
Hi Stephen
Is this the same wikispecies
you used to tell us all was the future of biodiversity IT
?
And by the way - you
accuse others of ad hominem attacks, but your comments
have
been the most barbed in this thread.
Cheerio, Mike
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Sent: 30 April
2015 00:20
To: JF Mate; Scott Thomson
Cc: Taxacom
Subject: Re:
[Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to
disregard it now
I was
waiting for your response, Scott, since you are one of the
major players in the dispute, i.e. your hands are dirty!
You
can turn it into an ad hominem argument against me if you
wish, but it doesn't change the facts of what I said,
namely that Wikispecies is no longer a reliable site, and
should be diregarded. Now you can go back to your
Wikispecies agenda of trying to rewrite the history of
reptile taxonomy.
Stephen
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On Thu, 30/4/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re:
[Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs,
best to
disregard it now
To: "JF Mate"
<aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015, 11:14
AM
I did not relise this
had
been crossposted to Taxacom as well as
ICZN List.. My response over there was:
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Stephen that is low, Wikimedia cannot defend
themselves here and you have cherry picked one
item that
agrees with your statement. I am not going to
argue with
you here, since it is not the ICZN lists business,
however
if you are going to say you have been blocked
maybe you
should say why you have been permanently banned
from
the English Wikipedia and Wikispecies and are
on
blocks for Meta-Wiki and Wiki Commons. Thats 4 sites, in
my
8 years
as an editor in
Wikimedia although I
am sure there are
others, and worse, I
personally have not
seen anyone else get a ban like that so quickly.
Your
hatred of wikimedia is very evident in what you have
said
in recent times, it extends clearly from the
treatment
you received. Hence anything you say anywhere on
Wikispecies or any other Wikimedia Project needs to
be
taken with a grain of salt and is clearly
dipped in
acid. I have told you before you need to let
this go for
a while, let it calm down. I even said I would
propose
the removal of the bans, but you have to stop and let
it
go and fix the damage first.
Now please, let it
go this is
not the forum for it.
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In response to Jason, it is a
playground fight. I was not involved in it, made sure
I
stayed out of it, but I have had to watch it. Not
pretty.
Cheers, Scott
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:19
PM, JF Mate <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
Maybe you
should copy and paste the actual
example/s as succintly as > possible.
Otherwise it
just looks like a playground fight.
>
> Jason
> On
30/04/2015
8:03 AM, "Stephen
Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> >
There has been a "military
takeover" of Wikispecies, by people who know >
> not what they are doing (see, for example, this
article > > http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Austrophthiracarus_longisetosus
in
> > which homonymy
has been
confused with synonymy!) I have
been excluded and > > blocked from editing the
site
in future. The following comment, posted by
> >
another editor who is alarmed by what is happening
(please
excuse his > >
English) is
illustrative of the current situation, so I copy it
below > from > > the Wikispecies
Village
Pump:
> >
> >
Reducing time for working at
Wikispecies
> >
>
> At Wikispecies about 2 million taxon
pages are missing.
Instead of really
> > contributing to
Wikispecies, that is adding new pages, there is a playing
> > around with an AWB and modifying or
deleting
things that do no harm, like > > the double
square
brackets of taxon names on hundreds of thousand
pages.
> > And proudly is
told
of "contributions". That are no
contributions. There
> is
> > nothing professional in it.
Wikispecies is the only Wiki that expects to
> > have users from the scientific community.
Observing what is done at > > present, will
not
attract such users. It will lead to a number of
closed
> > Wikis for groups of organisms, as first
ones are
already existing, so > that > > such
unprofessional actions are not possible.
> > I'll considerably reduce my
working time here under the present
>
> circumstances. Kempf EK (talk) 16:18, 28
April 2015
(UTC)
>
>
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