[Taxacom] Twitter Fwd: Nature needs names: 60 new dragonflies from Africa
Richard Pyle
deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
Sun Dec 13 14:41:00 CST 2015
Hi Stephen,
<waxPhilosophical>
Here is the way I look at it. You're probably right -- the publicity/advertising, in all likelihood, has a near-zero chance of having any real meaningful impact. But consider this: by NOT advertising/publicizing, we GUARANTEE a zero chance of having any real meaningful impact. And, as it turns out, "near-zero" is (literally) infinitely larger than "zero".
It's the same attitude I have when deciding to apply for a grant proposal, or doing something that is highly unconventional and/or where conventional wisdom strongly suggests that I'm wasting my time. But here's the thing: some of the greatest advancements in human history came about because someone was too stupid to know that what s/he was doing was impossible, or extremely likely to fail. It's popularized through expressions such as "nothing ventured, nothing gained". And sure, there are risks (there are always risks). But if I only did stuff because it followed conventional wisdom, I would have had a much less interesting and productive life.
</waxPhilosophical>
Aloha,
Rich
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 10:04 AM
> To: 'Daniel Mietchen'; deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> Cc: 'taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu'; gread at actrix.gen.nz
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Twitter Fwd: Nature needs names: 60 new dragonflies
> from Africa
>
> I still don't see any real point in any of this*. Potentially, the number and
> frequency of auto-generated tweets from ZooBank could become vast. It is far
> more sensible for a person just to search ZooBank for what they are interested
> in. Or perhaps some people want to spend all day every day trawling through
> tweets! Maybe a weekly or monthly tweet with summary statistics would work,
> but does anyone really want that? If so, can't they get it directly from ZooBank
> anyway?
>
> Stephen
>
> *Having said that, I have never in my life seen any point of advertising of any
> kind!
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 14/12/15, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Twitter Fwd: Nature needs names: 60 new dragonflies
> from Africa
> To: "'Daniel Mietchen'" <daniel.mietchen at googlemail.com>
> Cc: "'taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu'" <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> gread at actrix.gen.nz
> Received: Monday, 14 December, 2015, 1:39 AM
>
> Thanks, Daniel! This
> week is crazy, but when the dust settles, I will likely take you up on your offer
> to help!
>
> MANY thanks!
>
> Rich
>
> > -----Original
> Message-----
> > From: Daniel Mietchen
> [mailto:daniel.mietchen at googlemail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 2:21 AM > To: Richard Pyle > Cc:
> Scott Thomson; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; gread at actrix.gen.nz >
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Twitter Fwd: Nature needs names: 60 new dragonflies >
> from Africa > > The length of a URL does not matter on Twitter any more -
> they shorten all of > them anyway, taking up 23 characters. With a space or
> newline, this leaves 116 > for content (including hashtags).
> >
> > I am running an IFTT
> bot with similar scope ( https://twitter.com/wikiredlist ) > and would be happy
> to help set up a pipeline for ZooBank et al.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Richard Pyle >
> <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
> wrote:
> > > Hi Scott,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, I
> understood exactly what your point was on the Family thing, and I FULLY >
> agree with it. My point was that ZooBank lacks the ability to link a species to a
> > family, because ZooBank is nomenclatural. The underlying database (GNUB)
> > certainly does have that ability, but it would need a robust meta-authority
> (like > CoL) to provide a family (or any higher
> classification) in association with any new > name registered in ZooBank.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Aloha,
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Scott
> Thomson [mailto:scott.thomson321 at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 2:01 AM > > To: Richard Pyle > > Cc:
> Stephen Thorpe; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; gread at actrix.gen.nz > >
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Twitter Fwd:
> Nature needs names: 60 new
> > >
> dragonflies from Africa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Richard,
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > yes anything that can be turned into a url will work, it is just so it clicks
> through > to the desired record. My point on the family group name was not >
> nomenclatural, nor for nomenclatural reasons. It was so that people could read
> > the tweet and identify what taxonomic group was being discussed, then
> either > ignore it or click it depending on their interests. Species, or genus
> works also.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok
> Facebook..... both a nemesis and a useful thing. It requires maintenance > and
> this would be the biggest downside. Anyone can post to it unless you exact >
> strong control over this, which you can do so you would have to carefully set it
> > up. On the upside, they can, used well, be good advertising for Zoobank and
> the > ICZN, will get those names out there far better than a website will these
> days. It > puts the ICZN and Zoobank in the face of the people. Which I believe
> could be > good for the ICZN. I just saw your message below to Rod while
> typing this, yes > twitter is not as popular as it used to be. The text restriction
> being a big issue, > and this is one of the reasons Facebook has become so
> popular.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Google +
> very specific version of Facebook, some think more professional, > sorry but
> its same old same old, just not done as well with a lack of cross > browser
> support. However still worth doing. For my blog whenever I add new > articles
> it automatically sends messages to twitter, facebook, google + I get more > hits
> from Facebook than anywhere else. I get 2500 unique visitors a year, over >
> half from Facebook.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec
> 13, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Richard Pyle
> >
> <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> OK, thanks for the elaboration. The LSIDs are long and cumbersome; I prefer >
> the 36-character UUIDs; especially when formulating an HTTP URL. It would be
> > redundant to have both the link and the LSID/UUID; so we could include the
> > taxon name and/or citation of the reference and/or author name (depending
> on > what the registration is).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, a family can only be included for family-group names. The
> link > between a genus- or species-group name and a family is a matter of
> taxonomy, > not nomenclature; and ZooBank is (sort of) limited to
> nomenclature. However, > this could be a perfect collaboration with Catalog
> of Life, where ZooBank pipes > new names to COL as they come in, and
> likewise can perform a service to link > genus/species names to a higher
> classification (including family).
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe there should also be a ZooBank Facebook page? What other social
> > > media pipelines would be appropriate (does anyone actually use Google+ >
> > ?) > > > > > > > > Someday….
> If only there were unlimited funding and unlimited hours in > > the day… > >
> > > > > > > Aloha, > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > From: Scott Thomson
> [mailto:scott.thomson321 at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 1:32 AM > > To: Richard Pyle > > Cc:
> Stephen Thorpe; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; gread at actrix.gen.nz > >
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Twitter Fwd:
> Nature needs names: 60 new
> > >
> dragonflies from Africa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To keep it non political, and simple, tweet the LSID's as a daily new papers.
> > along with the Family name to make it obvious what group is discussed.
> People > can click the link for details. No need to use all the characters, just
> keep it simple.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Was not saying this should be done by the way, just an option based on
> what > Doug was saying. Not everyone uses RSS, likewise not everyone uses
> Twitter.
> > However tweeting
> the LSID's may encourage journals to register with Zoobank > better as it will
> be effective advertising for them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers, Scott
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:24 AM,
> Richard Pyle
> > <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> >
> >> On Doug's other point of some twitter feed or something listing > >>
> papers, effectively, could not Zoobank effectively do that under a > >> twitter
> account #Zoobank that does a daily "whats new":
> > >
> > > ZooBank
> already has an RSS feed; would a separate Twitter feed be useful?
> > How best to use the 140
> characters? A core ZooBank URL is minimally 55 > characters
> ("http://zoobank.org/" + 36 characters for the UUID -- though we > could strip
> the dashes and make it 51 characters total). How best to use the > remaining
> characters?
> > >
> >
> > Please bear in mind that I only vaguely understand what Twitter is.... (I >
> develop sophisticated databases, and cutting-edge diving technology; but I'm a
> > total luddite when it comes to social media).
> > >
> > >
> Aloha,
> > > Rich
> >
> >
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