[Taxacom] Twitter Fwd: Nature needs names: 60 new dragonflies from Africa
Stephen Thorpe
stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sun Dec 13 14:03:59 CST 2015
I still don't see any real point in any of this*. Potentially, the number and frequency of auto-generated tweets from ZooBank could become vast. It is far more sensible for a person just to search ZooBank for what they are interested in. Or perhaps some people want to spend all day every day trawling through tweets! Maybe a weekly or monthly tweet with summary statistics would work, but does anyone really want that? If so, can't they get it directly from ZooBank anyway?
Stephen
*Having said that, I have never in my life seen any point of advertising of any kind!
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On Mon, 14/12/15, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Twitter Fwd: Nature needs names: 60 new dragonflies from Africa
To: "'Daniel Mietchen'" <daniel.mietchen at googlemail.com>
Cc: "'taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu'" <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, gread at actrix.gen.nz
Received: Monday, 14 December, 2015, 1:39 AM
Thanks, Daniel! This
week is crazy, but when the dust settles, I will likely take
you up on your offer to help!
MANY thanks!
Rich
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Daniel Mietchen
[mailto:daniel.mietchen at googlemail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 2:21 AM
> To: Richard Pyle
> Cc:
Scott Thomson; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
gread at actrix.gen.nz
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Twitter Fwd: Nature
needs names: 60 new dragonflies
> from
Africa
>
> The length
of a URL does not matter on Twitter any more - they shorten
all of
> them anyway, taking up 23
characters. With a space or newline, this leaves 116
> for content (including hashtags).
>
> I am running an IFTT
bot with similar scope ( https://twitter.com/wikiredlist )
> and would be happy to help set up a
pipeline for ZooBank et al.
>
> Daniel
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Richard
Pyle
> <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
wrote:
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, I
understood exactly what your point was on the Family thing,
and I FULLY
> agree with it. My point
was that ZooBank lacks the ability to link a species to a
> family, because ZooBank is
nomenclatural. The underlying database (GNUB)
> certainly does have that ability, but it
would need a robust meta-authority (like
> CoL) to provide a family (or any higher
classification) in association with any new
> name registered in ZooBank.
> >
> >
> >
> > Aloha,
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Scott
Thomson [mailto:scott.thomson321 at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 2:01
AM
> > To: Richard Pyle
> > Cc: Stephen Thorpe; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
gread at actrix.gen.nz
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Twitter Fwd:
Nature needs names: 60 new
> >
dragonflies from Africa
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Richard,
>
>
> >
> >
> > yes anything that can be turned into
a url will work, it is just so it clicks through
> to the desired record. My point on the
family group name was not
>
nomenclatural, nor for nomenclatural reasons. It was so that
people could read
> the tweet and
identify what taxonomic group was being discussed, then
either
> ignore it or click it depending
on their interests. Species, or genus works also.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok
Facebook..... both a nemesis and a useful thing. It requires
maintenance
> and this would be the
biggest downside. Anyone can post to it unless you exact
> strong control over this, which you can do
so you would have to carefully set it
>
up. On the upside, they can, used well, be good advertising
for Zoobank and the
> ICZN, will get
those names out there far better than a website will these
days. It
> puts the ICZN and Zoobank in
the face of the people. Which I believe could be
> good for the ICZN. I just saw your message
below to Rod while typing this, yes
>
twitter is not as popular as it used to be. The text
restriction being a big issue,
> and this
is one of the reasons Facebook has become so popular.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Google +
very specific version of Facebook, some think more
professional,
> sorry but its same old
same old, just not done as well with a lack of cross
> browser support. However still worth
doing. For my blog whenever I add new
>
articles it automatically sends messages to twitter,
facebook, google + I get more
> hits from
Facebook than anywhere else. I get 2500 unique visitors a
year, over
> half from Facebook.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
Scott
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec
13, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Richard Pyle
>
<deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
wrote:
> >
> >
OK, thanks for the elaboration. The LSIDs are long and
cumbersome; I prefer
> the 36-character
UUIDs; especially when formulating an HTTP URL. It would
be
> redundant to have both the link and
the LSID/UUID; so we could include the
>
taxon name and/or citation of the reference and/or author
name (depending on
> what the
registration is).
> >
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately, a family can only be
included for family-group names. The link
> between a genus- or species-group name and
a family is a matter of taxonomy,
> not
nomenclature; and ZooBank is (sort of) limited to
nomenclature. However,
> this could be
a perfect collaboration with Catalog of Life, where ZooBank
pipes
> new names to COL as they come in,
and likewise can perform a service to link
> genus/species names to a higher
classification (including family).
>
>
> >
> >
> > Maybe there should also be a ZooBank
Facebook page? What other social
> >
media pipelines would be appropriate (does anyone actually
use Google+
> > ?)
> >
> >
> >
> > Someday….
If only there were unlimited funding and unlimited hours
in
> > the day…
>
>
> >
> >
> > Aloha,
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Scott Thomson [mailto:scott.thomson321 at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 1:32
AM
> > To: Richard Pyle
> > Cc: Stephen Thorpe; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu;
gread at actrix.gen.nz
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Twitter Fwd:
Nature needs names: 60 new
> >
dragonflies from Africa
> >
> >
> >
> > To keep it non political, and simple,
tweet the LSID's as a daily new papers.
> along with the Family name to make it
obvious what group is discussed. People
>
can click the link for details. No need to use all the
characters, just keep it simple.
>
>
> >
> >
> > Was not saying this should be done by
the way, just an option based on what
>
Doug was saying. Not everyone uses RSS, likewise not
everyone uses Twitter.
> However tweeting
the LSID's may encourage journals to register with
Zoobank
> better as it will be effective
advertising for them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Scott
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:24 AM,
Richard Pyle
> <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
wrote:
> >
>
>> On Doug's other point of some twitter feed or
something listing
> >> papers,
effectively, could not Zoobank effectively do that under
a
> >> twitter account #Zoobank
that does a daily "whats new":
> >
> > ZooBank
already has an RSS feed; would a separate Twitter feed be
useful?
> How best to use the 140
characters? A core ZooBank URL is minimally 55
> characters ("http://zoobank.org/" + 36
characters for the UUID -- though we
>
could strip the dashes and make it 51 characters total).
How best to use the
> remaining
characters?
> >
>
> Please bear in mind that I only vaguely understand what
Twitter is.... (I
> develop sophisticated
databases, and cutting-edge diving technology; but I'm
a
> total luddite when it comes to social
media).
> >
> >
Aloha,
> > Rich
>
>
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