[Taxacom] unrecognizable species, what to do...

Wed Sep 25 17:33:38 CDT 2013

@Robin

no the ICZN does not designate a specialist, the Code says what is needed
and (hopefully) a specialist will make a suitable case for a neotype to be
set, it is up to the applicant to show why, and select the specimen that
should be used. They should of course follow the code to do this including
its recommendations. Many of which have already been pointed out by Doug
and others.

Cheers, Scott

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Robin Leech <releech at telus.net> wrote:

> Gentlemen,
> I believe that the Commission has to designate a specialist in the field in
> question.  The specialist, in turn, will then designate a neotype.  I have
> it in the back of my head that there is someone else in attendance during
> the selection of the neotype.  I seem to recall, in reading over a neotype
> designation that if topotypic material should be selected from, if
> possible.
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Welter-Schultes
> Sent: September-25-13 3:25 PM
> To: Neal Evenhuis
> Cc: ICZN-list; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; Lawrence Kirkendall
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] unrecognizable species, what to do...
>
> I agree with Doug and others: the appropriate form to solve this problem is
> to ask the Commission to set aside the existing types and to fix a neotype.
>
> The other option which was proposed, would not work.
>
> Declaration of a name as a nomen dubium is not a nomenclatural act. "Nomen
> dubium" is only an informal term. Its meaning is "a name of unknown or
> doubtful application".
> It describes circumstances concerning the taxonomic identity of a name. It
> is not possible to "declare" something as doubtful. Either something is
> doubtful or not, this is inherent and only needs to be discovered.
>
> Francisco
>
>
> > Doug and others have responded to this stating that an application can
> > be made to the ICZN to designate a neotype, with which I wholly agree,
> > and Doug has further recommended pinning the type locality as close as
> > possible to the original type (type series).
> >
> > I would further strongly "recommend" -- as it is not discussed in the
> > Code
> > -- to place that neotype in the same museum as the original type series.
> > This would be a good idea for most neotypes, but especially in the
> > case of older (i.e, 18th, 19th century) well-known zoologists. In the
> > case of Westwood types, Oxford is the most logical place one would
> > look for a Westwood type and future workers on this beetle may not
> > know to look in two places for the old and 'new' type material.
> >
> > I'm cross-posting this to the ICZN list for the following reason:
> >
> > In addition, the way Article 75.5 is written: without specification
> > that neotype be deposited in the same institution as the original type
> > series that is alleged to be poorly preserved, it opens up the
> > potential for abuse where a taxonomist could add more types to his or
> > her collection by declaring the need for neotypes because of poorly
> > preserved collections, while depleting types from other collections or
> > causing confusion when a neotype is located in another collection from
> > where all the other types of an author may reside (what is this was
> > done to, say, Linnaeus types?).
> > Probably will never happen much but it has happened, but when you
> > write laws, you need to be as forward thinking as possible to all
> > possibilities and minimize the potential for abuse of that law. I
> > would thuds recommend that Article 75.5 be reworded or at least
> > (although unfortunately
> > unenforceable) a Recommendation be added to it to state the best way
> > to preserve such neotypes would be to place them in the same
> > depository as the original "alleged poorly" preserved type seres.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > -Neal
> >
> > On Stardate 9/25/13 2:34 AM, "Lawrence Kirkendall"
> > <lawrence.kirkendall at bio.uib.no> wrote:
> >
> >>I am a new member of Taxacom, so I don't know if this has been
> >>discussed recently.
> >>
> >>As I understand it, one cannot normally designate a neotype when types
> >>can be found. But what do you do when your species, described in the
> >>19th century, turns out to be a species complex, and because of the
> >>poor condition of the syntypes one cannot safely attribute any
> >>particular individual to any of the clades you can now recognize as
> >>separate species? The example my colleagues and I are struggling with
> >>is Hypothenemus eruditus Westwood (1836), a 1 mm - long species which
> >>may well be the most abundant and widespread bark beetle on the
> >>planet. We can separate a number of clades out, using a combination of
> >>molecular  and morphological characters. Especially for such old
> >>mounted specimens, important diagnostic morphological characters for
> >>species in this genus (such the frons, or elytral puntures & setae)
> >>are frequently either hidden, worn, or at least partially covered with
> >>glue; in addition, old specimens are usually card-mounted, making even
> >>a visible frons almost impossile to view sufficiently well. The
> >>problem is not just with the syntype series for eruditus Westwood; the
> >>current catalog lists 75 synonyms, and my suspicion is that it is
> >>going to be hopeless, trying to associate the clades we can (finally)
> >>now recognize with older, synonymized names--especially bearing in
> >>mind that the species is globally distributed!
> >>
> >>What do aphidologists or acarologists do, in a species complex, if
> >>slide mounts have darkened to the point where critical characters can
> >>no  longer be discerned, assuming that sufficiently detailed drawings
> >>do not exist?
> >>
> >>Thanks for any advice,
> >>Lawrence Kirkendall
> >>
> >>
> >>Prof. Lawrence Kirkendall
> >>Department of Biology
> >>Univ. Bergen
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