[Taxacom] Fwd: Fwd: open access

[Donat Agosti]

One point to consider. Publishing is business. It is NOT free, nor will be in the future. A successful journals needs to have a business model to last.
There are many different business models. So you have to find one journals that serves you. If you do not find it, you have to start looking into changing the system, become a member of a society that allows you to publish, talk to your government.
The costs is not a specific issue (neither peer review) of open access. It is an issue that spans over the entire spectrum of publications.
So, don't blame OA for something that is part of the system. Spend your energy to create a system that suits you. OA at least offers you (the reader) open access, which the others don't.

Cheers
Donat


-----Original Message-----
From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Heads
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 11:59 AM
To: Quentin Groom
Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Fwd: Fwd: open access

$US500 for one paper is not a fee waiver, it's a lot of money for a biologist in a in a level 2 country. And what about retired workers in the first world?


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Quentin Groom <quentin.groom at br.fgov.be>wrote:

> Yes, but even PLoS One has a fee waiver for researchers from low and 
> middle income countries...
>
> /"Fees for Low and Lower Middle Income Countries are calculated 
> according to the PLOS Global Participation Initiative 
> <http://www.plos.org/about/viewpoints/global-participation-initiative/
> >
> pricing
> program for manuscripts submitted after 9am Pacific Time on September 
> 4,
> 2012 (this program is not retroactive)./
>
>     * /Group One: Countries from this list
>       <http://www.plos.org/group-one-countries/> will not be charged for
>       publishing/
>     * /Group Two: Countries from this list
>       <http://www.plos.org/group-two-countries/> will be charged a flat
>       $500/
>
> /Our fee waiver policy, whereby PLOS offers to waive or further reduce 
> the payment required of authors who cannot pay the full amount charged 
> for publication, remains in effect. Editors and reviewers have no 
> access to whether authors are able to pay; decisions to publish are 
> only based on editorial criteria."/
>
> Quentin
>
>
>
> Michael Heads wrote:
> > Hi Quentin,
> >
> > The study you cited found an average fee of $US 906, but their 
> > survey included many local journals. Decent international journals 
> > charge more, e.g. PLoS One is $1350, BMC Evol Biol is $2060. I've 
> > never paid page charges in my life and as I don't have one of Paul's 
> > typical research grants of half a million I certainly won't be 
> > publishing in these journals.
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Fwd: open access
> > To: Quentin Groom <quentin.groom at br.fgov.be>
> >
> >
> > The study you cite found an average fee of $US 906, but their survey 
> > included many local journals. Decent international journals charge 
> > more, e.g. PLoS One is $1350, BMC Evol Biol is $2060. I've never 
> > paid page charges in my life and as I don't have one of Paul's 
> > typical research grants of half a million I certainly won't be 
> > publishing in these journals.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Quentin Groom 
> ><quentin.groom at br.fgov.be
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Michael,
> >> the belief that Open Access cost thousands of dollars is a myth.
> >>
> >> See Solomon, D. J. and Björk, B.-C. (2012), A study of open access 
> >> journals using article processing charges. J. Am. Soc. Inf. Sci., 63:
> >> 1485–1495. doi: 10.1002/asi.22673
> >> Although this article is closed access the abstract tells you enough.
> >>
> >> Also see a summary at http://t.co/TJURqTfmQy
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Quentin Groom
> >>
> >> Michael Heads wrote:
> >>
> >>> ‘If you look at less wealthy countries like low and middle income 
> >>> countries,  they really really struggle to get access and so 
> >>> that’s a
> >>>
> >> real
> >>
> >>> impediment that prevents researchers in those countries from being 
> >>> able
> >>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>> either contribute or do world class research’. So if you charge
> thousands
> >>> of US dollars to publish one paper that will help them contribute?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ‘Even with  my brother starting the public library of science...’ 
> >>> – so
> no
> >>> conflict of interest there then...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Here is a splendid clip on open access, well worth to spend a 
> >>>> couple
> of
> >>>> minutes
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5rVH1KGBCY#t=170
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Enjoy, and think about what it means for our domain
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Donat
> >>>>
> >>>>
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