[Taxacom] Thesis and new species

Wed Nov 13 10:40:15 CST 2013

The Code only requires that it has been produced in a print run, and that it must be obtainable when first issued.
Any print run can burn. In your example, the thesis was obtainable when first issued. It wasn't obtainable shortly after that, but this is irrelevant.
Seems weird to you? Yes. But the destruction of a whole print run, in a warehouse of a publisher, or in a garage of a self-publisher, or in a garage of an author, is pretty rare.
The distribution of a published work cannot be regulated. If a book has been produced in a print run of 10,000, but nobody wants to buy it, it is still published under the Code.

And then there is the trend that print runs getting less common as even commercial publishers produce digitally, meaning on demand.

Dissertations is an issue. They were often produced and distributed in a higher number of copies than "traditional" published books. UMI or the British Thesis Service have been offering them for purchase. I bought them from university libraries directly (e.g. from South Africa). They were often much more easily obtainable than books from smaller publishers. Still, we (or many of us) consider them unpublished because that's what we always did (not sure if there is any other reason).
If Dissertations contain nomenclatural acts, and the author wants to publish them again separately in 12 different papers, then he/she has to include a disclaimer in the thesis to avoid a mess.

Frank

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From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Paul van Rijckevorsel [dipteryx at freeler.nl]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 7:37 AM
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thesis and new species

So, if somebody has 200 copies of his thesis printed,
puts a copy in the university library and stores the rest
(overnight) in his garage, which promptly burns down
this counts as publication under the zoological Code?

Seems weird to me.

Paul

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> So .... if I go to a library and pull a journal off the shelf and read it
> there, that does not count as a published journal??
>
> I think we have restricted "obtained" a bit too much by saying a work in a
> library has to be loaned!
>
> -Neal
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> [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Francisco
> Welter-Schultes [fwelter at gwdg.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:13 AM
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> This is a question that has arisen repeatedly in the past years.
>
> I have inserted a comment to the ICZN-Wiki Art. 8 to improve this in the
> next edition of the Code, to clarify that "obtainable on loan" shall be in
> the sense of Art. 8.1.2.
>
> Francisco
>
>> A work present in a public library can be "obtained on loan" and is as
>> such obtainable.
>>
>> /Thomas Pape
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Paul van
>> Rijckevorsel
>> Sent: 13. november 2013 11:41
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thesis and new species
>>
>> From: "Francisco Welter-Schultes" <fwelter at gwdg.de>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:08 PM
>>
>>> "Obtainable" does probably not mean that after having obtained it you
>>> must have the legal right to possess it. You can order a copy in a
>>> public library, or a public interlibrary loan system, and then obtain
>>> and read it, and afterwards return it. The idea behind the Article was
>>
>>> probably not that people should personally possess something, but that
>>
>>> people have access to information.
>>
>> ***
>> Not that I have anything against libraries, but this is not right.
>> "To obtain = To succeed in gaining possession of as the result of
>> planning or endeavor; acquire."
>> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/obtain
>>
>> The library scenario would include print-on-demand books, or things
>> existing in very few copies. And that very much is not the intent.
>>
>> Paul
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