[Taxacom] Responses from BHL about Nabu Press, etc.

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Thu Mar 29 17:00:26 CDT 2012 

possibly ... but it certainly isn't a copyright infringement! And there are such things as mistakes!



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From: Nadia Talent <nadia.talent at utoronto.ca>
To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> 
Cc: TAXACOM <TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU> 
Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Responses from BHL about Nabu Press, etc.

Surely misrepresenting the date of a taxonomic work is a hideous offence. By the way, Google also seems to have considerable problems with their metadata: I've been carrying on a discussion since January with a Google representative, apparently to no avail, about one particular book, just one of many that I noticed in January with the same problem: a serious scientific work is listed with a subject category "Fiction/General" (which shows up at the bottom of the page in the citation area).

The book in question is Eucalyptus: the genus Eucalyptus (Google eBook), by J. J. W. Coppen.

I don't know J. J. W. Coppen personally, but am sure that if I were they I'd be outraged.

Nadia

On 2012-03-29, at 17:44 , Stephen Thorpe wrote:

> interesting, though seemingly a little heavy-handed? Clearly BHL want people to go to BHL, rather than to Nabu, to access the publications, so I suspect that they may try to scare Nabu "off their patch", independently of whether there is any solid legal basis to do so ...
> I still just can't see how you can allow *anyone* free access to something while still retaining copyright control??? Surely, either you restrict access, or you relinquish copyright control?? I can't see the sense in having it both ways!  The absurdity arises because the original author/publisher of the works are not being adversely impacted by Nabu's activities, so why are they complaining? Do they just not like the idea of someone else profiting from their work? But don't we all profit, directly or indirectly, from the good ideas/inventions of the past??  BHL have more of a reason to complain, but why is Doug so motivated to alert BHL to this fact? Still, it isn't my problem ...
>  
> Stephen
>  
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
> To: TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU 
> Cc: ECN-L at listserv.unl.edu; entomo-l at listserv.uoguelph.ca 
> Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012 10:21 AM
> Subject: [Taxacom] Responses from BHL about Nabu Press, etc.
> 
> Just so people are updated, I heard back from 2 people at BHL, which 
> appears to be one of the major sources Nabu and the other POD 
> publishers are using as sources for copyrighted documents. They have 
> agreed to let me distribute their responses:
> 
>> From: "Crowley, Bianca" <CrowleyB at si.edu>
>> To: "dyanega at ucr.edu" <dyanega at ucr.edu>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:44:22 -0400
>> Subject: Biodiversity Heritage Library Feedback
>> 
>> Dear Dr. Yanega,
>> 
>> Thank you for bringing this very serious issue to our attention. I 
>> apologize for the concern that this is causing you and your 
>> colleagues. Please know that the BHL is as equally concerned and we 
>> are in the process of issuing a cease infringement request of Nabu 
>> Press through our lawyers with the Smithsonian Institution. As I get 
>> further information, I will be in touch with you. Please do not 
>> hesitate to contact me if you gather any additional information.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Bianca Crowley
>> 
>> Biodiversity Heritage Library Collections Coordinator
>> Smithsonian Institution Libraries
>> 10th St. & Constitution Ave. NW
>> Rm 2221 P.O. Box 37012 MRC 154
>> Washington, DC 20013-7012
>> 202-633-2239 | crowleyb[at]si.edu | http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org
> 
>> From: "Kalfatovic, Martin" <KalfatovicM at si.edu>
>> To: "'dyanega at ucr.edu'" <dyanega at ucr.edu>
>> CC: "Crowley, Bianca" <CrowleyB at si.edu>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:07:42 -0400
>> Subject: Copyright infringement by print on demand publishers
>> 
>> Dr. Yanega, Bianca Crowley will also be contacting you - if she 
>> hasn't already - but I personally wanted to let you know we're 
>> taking immediate action.
>> 
>> -        We're reviewing all metadata to be certain there are no 
>> extraneous codes that might be allowing these publishers to believe 
>> these materials are rights free;
>> -        We've directed our Smithsonian Office of General Counsel to 
>> issue a cease and desist order as well as a takedown order to the 
>> "publishers";
>> -        Smithsonian Counsel is also working with staff at Amazon to 
>> have these titles removed from Amazon ASAP (we've had a similar 
>> problem with some Smithsonian publications and have a direct 
>> connection to Amazon for this purpose)
>> 
>> We'll continue to monitor the situation and try to ensure that this 
>> does not happen again.
>> 
>> Cordially,
>> Martin Kalfatovic
>> 
>> Associate Director, Digital Services Division | Program Director, 
>> Biodiversity Heritage Library
>> Smithsonian Institution Libraries
>> 10th Street & Constitution Ave., NW
>> Room 24 Mz
>> MRC 154 PO Box 37012
>> Washington, DC 20013-7012
>> email: <mailto:kalfatovicm at si.edu>kalfatovicm at si.edu
>> tel: 202.633.1705
> 
> As an additional follow-up, it appears that there may indeed be 
> problems with the metadata - so there is a very real possibility that 
> this is a systemic problem, leading the POD publishers to NOT be 
> aware that these are copyrighted works. That is, they may have been 
> re-publishing copyrighted material without realizing it, because they 
> were trusting the metadata and not actually examining each file to 
> make sure the metadata were accurate. I would not say, however, that 
> this should let them off the hook. I know at least a few of you have 
> contacted Amazon (and, evidently, gotten polite but 
> less-than-exemplary responses like I did, along the lines of "We'll 
> remove items from the sale listing one at a time if we receive what 
> looks like a legitimate complaint from an author or copyright 
> holder"). I wrote back and told them that this is little more than 
> playing "Whack-a-mole", and they need a policy that blacklists POD 
> sellers guilty of even ONE case of copyright infringement. We need to 
> exert pressure. Again, if you have not checked Amazon for POD 
> versions of your works, or if you have found some but not alerted the 
> copyright holder, I urge you to do so.
> 
> Sincerely,
> -- 
> 
> Doug Yanega        Dept. of Entomology        Entomology Research Museum
> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314        skype: dyanega
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