[Taxacom] Fate of the Hungarian Natural History Museum

[Michael A. Ivie]

This thread is a perfect example of why this stuff is not helpful in such
an appeal. Hungary has a right-wing government that is proud of its
military history, blah blah.  They will argue that they have an important
need for national defense, blah blah. By including such c**p in the
defense of the museum, we end up debating totally unrelated, totally
unnecessary distractions.

Stick to the importance of the museum.  Leave competing uses out of the
argument, or you will not get what you want.  With this government,
nothing but an appeal to nationalist chauvinism is likely to save the
museum.

M

> Revisionist history. The Hungarian Government was a Fascist one from
> before the beginning of the war. The fact is they did join the war. The
> officers trained in that Academy were Axis military. Your logic is faulty.
> The German people also suffered from the hands of the Nazis and millions
> died, but that does not mean the Germany was not Axis and their Military
> Academies did not produce officers for the Axis military.
>
> And, technically, Hungary was occupied by the Germans, not the Nazis.  The
> Soviet occupation was justified, totally, by Hungary's status as a
> belligerent on the wrong side. It was no different than the US, UK and
> French occupation of Germany.  Poland and Czechoslovakia were victims,
> Germany and Hungary were Axis.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>> Hi Michael,
>>         "Slips like that"?  "Get it straight"?   If you read your
>> history a little closer, you will find that a reluctant Hungary was
>> actually pressured (by Germany) into joining the Axis in 1940.  The
>> Hungarians were in secret peace negotiations with the United States by
>> 1944, and when Hitler found out about it, Hungary was occupied by the
>> Nazis, and then hundreds of thousands of Hungarians were exterminated
>> (not to mention hundreds of thousands more Hungarian soldiers and
>> civilians killed in warfare).  They suffered mightily at the hands of
>> the Nazis.
>>           ---------Ken
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Michael Ivie wrote:
>> Ken, we do not help our cause if we don't know what we are talking
>> about. Hungary did not need protection from the Nazis, they WERE the
>> Nazis in WWII, as a part of the Axis Powers.  That military academy
>> produced officers the Allies faced on the battlefield until the Red Army
>> stopped them in 1945.
>> Slips like that diminish our arguments greatly.  If part of our argument
>> is clearly wrong, all of it can be dismissed.  Get it straight before
>> trying to interfere in affairs of a foreign country, otherwise, you look
>> like --- well, sad to say -- an American.
>> HOWEVER, that museum is absolutely a fantastic resource for the whole
>> world.  The beetle collection is among the best in the world, and has a
>> history of great, great systematic work that continues to this day.
>> Type holdings are very large, and world-wide in scope.
>>
>>
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