[Taxacom] Fate of the Hungarian Natural History Museum

[Robin Leech]

Mike,

You are going to have to distinguish between the political will of those
Hungarian Fascists at the top, the Royalty, the wishes of the people, the
masses, and the academics.

Canada has a great heap of academic Hungarians since the entire Sopron 
School
of Forestry came to UBC and Canada when the Russians invaded in 1956.

Few of the academics and few of the people were pro-Nazi.  Sure,
they were all part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and sure there were
thousands of Hungarians serving the German forces, esp. on the Eastern
Front.  But like the Romanians and Bulgarians who were also in the
German Army in the East, it does not mean they wanted to be there.

Robin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu>
To: "Kenneth Kinman" <kennethkinman at webtv.net>
Cc: <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Fate of the Hungarian Natural History Museum


> Revisionist history. The Hungarian Government was a Fascist one from
> before the beginning of the war. The fact is they did join the war. The
> officers trained in that Academy were Axis military. Your logic is faulty.
> The German people also suffered from the hands of the Nazis and millions
> died, but that does not mean the Germany was not Axis and their Military
> Academies did not produce officers for the Axis military.
>
> And, technically, Hungary was occupied by the Germans, not the Nazis.  The
> Soviet occupation was justified, totally, by Hungary's status as a
> belligerent on the wrong side. It was no different than the US, UK and
> French occupation of Germany.  Poland and Czechoslovakia were victims,
> Germany and Hungary were Axis.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>> Hi Michael,
>>         "Slips like that"?  "Get it straight"?   If you read your
>> history a little closer, you will find that a reluctant Hungary was
>> actually pressured (by Germany) into joining the Axis in 1940.  The
>> Hungarians were in secret peace negotiations with the United States by
>> 1944, and when Hitler found out about it, Hungary was occupied by the
>> Nazis, and then hundreds of thousands of Hungarians were exterminated
>> (not to mention hundreds of thousands more Hungarian soldiers and
>> civilians killed in warfare).  They suffered mightily at the hands of
>> the Nazis.
>>           ---------Ken
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Michael Ivie wrote:
>> Ken, we do not help our cause if we don't know what we are talking
>> about. Hungary did not need protection from the Nazis, they WERE the
>> Nazis in WWII, as a part of the Axis Powers.  That military academy
>> produced officers the Allies faced on the battlefield until the Red Army
>> stopped them in 1945.
>> Slips like that diminish our arguments greatly.  If part of our argument
>> is clearly wrong, all of it can be dismissed.  Get it straight before
>> trying to interfere in affairs of a foreign country, otherwise, you look
>> like --- well, sad to say -- an American.
>> HOWEVER, that museum is absolutely a fantastic resource for the whole
>> world.  The beetle collection is among the best in the world, and has a
>> history of great, great systematic work that continues to this day.
>> Type holdings are very large, and world-wide in scope.
>>
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