[Taxacom] New molecular propaganda on primate systematics

[Kim van der Linde]

Duh.

On 4/26/2011 10:06 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> scientists are supposed to *discover* the truth, when this is possible
> ... they are not supposed to "decide the truth" when it isn't ...
>
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> *From:* Kim van der Linde <kim at kimvdlinde.com>
> *To:* taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> *Sent:* Wed, 27 April, 2011 1:54:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] New molecular propaganda on primate systematics
>
> I refuse to believe that. But that is also the easy way out. Aren't we
> scientists to resolve these issues and move things forward?
>
> Kim
>
> On 4/26/2011 9:38 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>  > now, that is a very good question! In cases of data conflict where there
>  > is no obvious way to jump, shouldn't we invoke the old ''incertae
>  > sedis"? As Dan Bickel once said, 'ah, ''incertae sedis", my favourite
>  > group'! Seriously, if there is data conflict like that, then we simply
>  > cannot know the answer at present ... we cannot "resolve" it ...
>  > Stephen
>  >
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>  > *From:* Kim van der Linde <kim at kimvdlinde.com
> <mailto:kim at kimvdlinde.com>>
>  > *To:* taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  > *Sent:* Wed, 27 April, 2011 1:26:57 PM
>  > *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] New molecular propaganda on primate systematics
>  >
>  > John,
>  >
>  > I am not yet sure where your problem is, and so I have a question. How
>  > do you suggest that we resolve the issue of morphological versus
>  > molecular data when the data is inconsistent with each other? I have a
>  > similar issue in Drosophila and in the parrot family.
>  >
>  > Kim
>  >
>  > On 4/26/2011 8:33 PM, John Grehan wrote:
>  > > Sergio,
>  > >
>  > > Perhaps you (and also Kim van der Linde) would care to identify what
>  > you thought was robust about it and I could then give a précis of the
>  > problems/limitations as Jeff and I saw them that will be presented in
>  > our (hopefully) to be published response.
>  > >
>  > > John Grehan
>  > >
>  > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > From: Sergio Vargas [mailto:sevragorgia at gmail.com
> <mailto:sevragorgia at gmail.com>
>  > <mailto:sevragorgia at gmail.com <mailto:sevragorgia at gmail.com>>]
>  > > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 5:09 PM
>  > > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> <mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>;
>  > John Grehan
>  > > Subject: New molecular propaganda on primate systematics
>  > >
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > just read the reply to the orangutan paper, looks robust... I would
>  > like to see your reply! could you please let us know when it gets
> published.
>  > >
>  > > sergio
>  > >
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