Linne or Linnaeous? - P.-S.

[CARMINE COLACINO]

Ed ecco il solito sciovinista francese...
Oh, spero di non aver offeso nessuno usando una lingua di status
inferiore...

Here again the French chauvinism...
Oh, I hope I did not insult anybody using a language of inferior status...


Even though the Czeck language might not have the same status as the French
one, I do not see any reason to state it.

But, as it has been told, then let us also say that it is not correct to put
French at the same level than English...
How many papers are written today in French, in comparison to those written
in English? Very few (especially if we consider papers written by people who
have nor English nor French as their mother tongue).

I think it is correct, therefore, to pretend communication in an
International forum as this one be carried out in English, rather than in a
language known by a minority (if a choice has to be made).

But I do not intend this as a strict rule, I did not mind the reply in
French, and I did not mind the message in Czeck, I did mind the pointing out
that French was better (in status) than Czeck, that's not acceptable. I do
not recognize any special status to French, sorry.
If we want to stick to the reality, nowadays, you cannot survive
scientifically without knowing English, but without French, life goes on
quite fine (we can like it or not, but it is a fact).

In the course of time, some things go up, other go down, now the French
language goes down, and I think rightly so, if their speakers are so
arrogant.
That's life.

Best regards.

C. Colacino






On 12.02.2004 13:23, "Jacques Melot" <jacques.melot at ISHOLF.IS> wrote:

> Le 12-02-2004, à 12:26 +0100, nous recevions de SKÁLA Zdenek :
> 
>> To bylo myslim detailni vysvetleni; jakkoli se muze zdat takovyto
>> bod okrajovou zalezitosti, ma sjednoceni pravopisu botanickych jmen
>> zasadni vyznam pri budovani databazi (kontrola duplicitnich zaznamu
>> atd.). Diky!
> 
> 
> 
>   Vous pouvez retourner les choses dans le sens où vous le voulez
> que vous ne changerez rien à la réalité : toutes les langues n'ont
> pas un statut identique. Que vous le vouliez ou non, le satut de la
> langue tchèque n'est pas équivalent à celui du français, de l'anglais
> ou de l'allemand.
> 
>   Jacuqes Melot
> 
> 
> 
>> Zdenek Skala
>> skala at incoma.cz
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jacques Melot [mailto:jacques.melot at ISHOLF.IS]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:17 PM
>> To: TAXACOM at LISTSERV.NHM.KU.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Linne or Linnaeous? - P.-S.
>> 
>> 
>>   Le 12-02-2004, à 11:05 +0000, nous recevions de Jacques Melot :
>> 
>>>   Le 12-02-2004, à 19:41 +0900, vous écriviez :
>>> 
>>>> Dear members,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know if there was a discussion on the name of Linne or
>>>> Linnaeous before, but if you know the answer, please let me know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     Oui, cela a été discuté en détail.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> We see lots of cases of using both Linne and Linnaeous for authors
>>>> in biological nomenclature. Someone told me Linne was trasformed
>>>> into Linnaeous later, but another said Linnaeus came first and
>>>> Linne was used later. Does anyone know which is correct,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     À sa naissance, il s'appelait Carl Linnaeus, mais fut ennobli et
>>> prit alors le nom Carl von Linné. L'ennoblissement fut ratifié par
>>> le roi de Suède en novembre 1761, avec effet rétroactif au 4 avril
>>> 1757.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> or which spelling should be used (or if either one is fine)? Is
>>>> there any ruling by ICZN on which spelling should be used for in
>>>> case of Linne (or Linnaeous)?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     Le Code de nomenclature botanique ne dit pas ce qui faut faire
>>> dans un cas pareil (changement du nom d'un auteur au cours de son
>>> existence), mais il est partout fait usage de Linnaeus. On peut sans
>>> doute y voir une forme d'attestation suffisante pour qu'elle soit
>>> suivie.
>>> 
>>>     Cordialement,
>>> 
>>>     Jacques Melot
>>> 
>>> 
>>> P.-S.  L'officialisation de l'ennoblissement de Linnaeus par le
>>> parlement suédois eu lieu en 1762 :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1762. Wid slutet på Riksdagen blef beslutadt, att de, som HANS MAJ:T
>>> nämnt till adeligt Stånd, skulle blifwa bestående. Med dem blef
>>> altså LINNÆUS Adelsman, under namn af VON LINNÉ. Till wapn föreslog
>>> han 3 Naturens fält: swart, grönt och öfwerst rödt, därofwanpå
>>> [liggande] ett anantomiceradt Ägg, samt i hjelmen Linnæa [...]
>>> 
>>>     J. M.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>     Une dernière précision :
>> 
>>     Carl Linnaeus commence à s'appeler lui-même Linné le 20 novembre 1756.
>> 
>>     J. M.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> Cho, Soowon
>>>> Á¶   ¼ö   ¿ø
>>>> Department of Plant Medicine
>>>> Chungbuk National University
>>>> Cheongju, 361-763
>>>> KOREA
>>>> "ó»~'°Ç®¢°ú°¡ ½Ä'°ÀÇÇ®¢°ú·Î »õ·Ó°Ô µµ¾àÇÕ´Ï´Ù!
>>>> soowon at chungbuk.ac.kr
>>>> 82-(0)43-261-2558
>>>> 82-(0)43-271-4414 Fax
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