[Re:] Hennig and Rosa

[Thomas Schlemmermeyer]

I would like to add that the characterization of some hennigian terms as
neologisms also appears in the work of the french zoologist Pierre Paul Grasse.
For those interested I could provide the exact reference.


On (         Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:22:58 -0400
),         John Grehan <jrg13 at PSU.EDU> wrote:


>In an earlier posting one person (if I recall correctly) characteriaed
Croizat's
>comments on Rosa and Hennig as intemperate. I display below an english
>translation (followed by the Spannish original) of a commentary by Croizat
>on this matter and I am hard put to find
>it "intemperate". Perhaps there are other comments that might qualify, but this
>piece seems quite cautious. Croizat makes reference to the similarities in
>several
>figures, and right or wrong, feels that the similarities warrant some
>questioning of
>the matter of a possible connection.
>
>The translation was made by a colleague who has no direct involvement in these
>matters so please accomodate any impoverishment in the translation. [] - word
>not translated. Any suggested improvements are welcome.
>
>So far the general response has been that the possibility of plagiarism has no
>direct proof, but as far as I am able to discern at present, there is nothing
to
>proove otherwise either, while there is at least curcumstantial evidence of
>the possiblity. Rather than sweeping the issue under the rug, I suggest that
>the inferences by Croizat should at least be acknowledged, if not investigated
>properly.
>
>Hennig (1950) does cite Rosa 1903, so he was at least aware of this person.
>There
>are instances of people citing Croizat's marginal work while ignoring his
>principle
>works on biogeography. Perhaps this is a parallel. Hennig was aware of
>Croizat's panbiogeography but did not cite it (to my present knowledge).
>
>John Grehan
>
>
>Croizat 1976  Biogeograpfia Analytica y Sintetica ("Panbiogeografia")
>de las Americas. p. 828.
>
>I do not intend,when exhibiting Hennig´s schemes and diagrams that obey to
>the same "inspiration", to imply that Hennig plagiarized Rosa. If the
>"cladism" forms as much for Rosa as for Hennig an essential element of the
>taxonomic evolution this coincidence does not imply inmediate compilation
>or plagiarism.
>
>However, Hennig does not refer to Rosa 1918: and, in view of those that
>exhibit our Fig. 164, 165, 166 is not easy at all to reject Hennig´s
>idea,even if he does not make a citation, he knows well the Ologenesis of
>Rosa 1918 (see referring to Colosi).
>
>Both, Rosa and Hennig treat "cladism" mainly in a theoretical tone; but
>Rosa is clear and restrained; Hennig overflows confusely going on a
>[maremagnum] of neologisms of doubtful application to the concrete case, of
>definitions that has himself to prune and re-prune down to the roots, to
>such an extreme that of what was said at page n near anything, or anything
>at all remains at page n+1.ricas. p. 828.
>
>
>No me propogono, al exhibir esquemas y diagrams de Hennig que obedecen por
>lo visto a la misma "inspiración", insinuar que Hennig plagiara a Rosa. Si
>el "cladismo" forma tanto por Rosa cmo por Hennig un elemento esencial de
>al evolución taxonómica esta coincidencia no implica ipso facto compilación
>solapada o plagio. Sin embargo, Hennig no se refiere a Rosa 1918: y, en
>vista de los que exhiben nuestras Fig. 164, 165, 166 es nada fácil rchazar
>la idea de Hennig, pese a que no la cita, muy bien conoce la Ologenesis de
>Rosa, 1918 (ver en cuanto a Colosi, p. 609 del texto principal). Tanto Rosa
>como Hennig se ocupan de "cladismo" en tono fundametalmente teórico; mas
>Rosa es diáfano y se contiene; Hennig se desborda confusamente dando curso
>a un maremagnum de neologismos de dudosa aplicación al caso concreto, de
>definiciones que él mismo debe luego podar y re-podar hasta las raíces, a
>tal extremo que de lo dicho a pág. n casi nada, o nada del todo queda a
>pág. n + 1; etc.
>


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