[Simtrainer-l] Interested in your take on the writing

Rosanne Arvin rosannearvin at bellsouth.net
Wed Jan 30 16:17:55 CST 2019


 I would count as not punctuated correctly.  It looks like the 4th sentence is an I,cI and has the comma inserted correctly.  I think the student knows that two independent clauses can be joined but just doesn't know that a semicolon is used.  The greatest struggle appears to be with punctuation as he didn't include the comma after the dependent clause in the last sentence either.
    On Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 4:57:28 PM EST, Sue meyer via Simtrainer-l <simtrainer-l at lists.ku.edu> wrote:  
 
 I agree that it’s a run on. I find this frequently especially on a pretest with other common error patterns. Sue MeyerCary, Illinois 

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On Jan 29, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Debby Mossburg via Simtrainer-l <simtrainer-l at lists.ku.edu> wrote:


I've always counted sentences like this as run-ons - I think comma splices are listed in the scoring instructions as run-ons.

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Compound with incorrect punctuation to me. 

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On Jan 29, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Debi Rice via Simtrainer-l <simtrainer-l at lists.ku.edu> wrote:


Susan,As an English teacher and SIM trainer, I would score the sentence as a run-on. Looking at the rest of the text, the student doesn’t appear to understand when to use commas, which leads me to believe that the student used the comma as a pause rather than for a compound sentence.

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On Jan 29, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Schumaker, Jean via Simtrainer-l <simtrainer-l at lists.ku.edu> wrote:


Hmm… I’ve always scored this type of sentence as a run-on sentence. Otherwise, you’d be giving the student credit for knowing how to form a compound sentence.  If the student really knew how to form a compound sentence, it wouldn’t look like this! In other words, the idea is to just score the sentences as they appear without giving the student extra credit by surmising something.   Jean




From: Susan Woodruff <swoodruf at icloud.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 1:23 PM
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Subject: Interested in your take on the writing

Hello …I’m working with a small district in Ohio.  I’ve noticed this pattern in the student writing in this district (especially high school), and I would curious how you would score these pretests for sentence writing.  I am attaching one student’s pretest.  
The particular error pattern I’m looking up shows up twice in this student’s piece.  The very first sentence attempt is 
“I have a very big family, I have 8 brothers and 2 sisters and 1 niece.”  
Would you score this as a run-on or a compound sentence not punctuated correctly?
Up until now, I’ve scored it as a non sentence - now I am second guessing myself.  I’ve seen this error regularly in the students’ writing.
What do you think?Sue

Here is student paragraph for sentence writing pretest:


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